Wasting NHS resources

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0q2z725llo
If you are fool or vain enough to have weird stuff injected into your face why should the NHS be wasting money on this.
AIBU - Yes the NHS should be there for ABSOLUTLY every medical requirement.
YANBU - People like this should be charged for their treatment as it was self inflicted.

Where did I say it was private health insurance as that term is understood in the UK? It isn’t. And I agree you have to look at the entire tax system!

You didn't, however once you remove the private insurance bit to help reduce additional costs I don't see that much distinction between NI here and Social Security there. Of course there are differences in how much is raised & what it is actually spent on hence my point about the whole tax system.

Only if we do the same with smokers, drinkers, druggies, overweight, people who dont exercise, people who dont take their medication as prescribed.....

It's a very slippery slope. I have to say I'd not be opposed to people who are smoking or obese paying more taxes as they are costing a hell of a lot more money than the odd dodgy botox

@ittersbitters while the thread started with the newspaper article, the debate quite clearly expanded. Also, ad hominem attacks?

Once you start to decide who is worthy of health care it will be the start of its dismantling.

What if she had it done for medical reasons? I pay £450 for it to be injected into my jaw muscles to stop me clenching at night which was giving me terrible headaches and wearing my teeth away. 0% cosmetic improvement but has helped my headaches enormously (and I don't think an NHS dentist would do this).

Saying that she was foolish to think £100 for 3 areas and then some free botox (!!) Would be a good idea. £450 is what my dentist charges for cosmetic injections too, which is pretty standard I think if you get it from an actual expert.

@Onescoopofmashplease I meant private A&Es here.

I like the French system. I'm half French & have used it many times. But I think the idea we can move the NHS to a system like France and it's all good is crazy. We need to spend a lot more on healthcare for one.

@logicisall you could just debate the below rather than tagging me in pointless posts. I won't hold my breath though!

"It's a false equivalancy to claim that choosing cosmetic enhancements is the same as choosing to play sports."

Once you start to decide who is worthy of health care it will be the start of its dismantling.

Exactly & there's nuance. Some cosmetic treatments can be beneficial eg sweating & in your example jaw clenching. Plus there may be mental health benefits, it's too slippery a slope for me.

Drugs, I'll grant you.
The other two are heavily taxed activities that go at least someway towards the cost of any treatment.

Smoking is 100% bad for you. Even so, I’d want my DD who I love to be treated for its effects. She hasn’t listened to my warnings.

Obesity is more of a side-effect of modern life.

If certain people are denied treatment then they would have every right to demand their taxes back!

But your original point was that you felt people should contribute more - a fiver a go say, to top-up the services - but you went on to say that top earners should not use these services…
Given we have the NHS model in the uk, I think we should fight vehemently to threats to it. This includes injecting divisive tiering or gatekeeping of it by means or otherwise.

Really?
There is a crisis in Primary care - GPs only have so many appointments available and they can't see everyone if there is no time.So it isn't "won't" ( and on our local FB there is a shedload of people moaning about "no appointments" - we manage,not always easy but possible,so what their problem is who knows)

If you are prescribed paracetamol and would rather pay - then don't fill the prescription,it's not rocket science.
If you are forced to have a prescription on "leaving" - leaving where? The GP? Never happened to me but if so just say no. Or don't make it up. Or then you get to request your normal refills later so it is still the same amount of medication,costing the same amount.....

The missed appointments bit valid though it'd be interesting to know what percentage of total appointments made this applies to.It might be a tiny proportion ( still shouldn't happen)
Not looking at the big picture? And we are probably right back to not enough GPs etc etc

Britain doesn’t train enough GPs. That’s a big problem. Then we import them from the rest of the world. A problem for other countries and also for us.

Paracetamol can be bought cheaply anywhere stop giving it to me.

I was asked to buy my own paracetamol after a CS. I didn't mind re the cost but I would have liked the heads up. I was in pain and could have done with some on me.

Why is procurement so bad in the NHS? How can supermarkets pay paracetamol cheaper?

If you are forced to have a prescription on "leaving" - leaving where? The GP? Never happened to me but if so just say no. Or don't make it up. Or then you get to request your normal refills later so it is still the same amount of medication,costing the same amount.....

Again there is nuance. My aunt had a severe stroke and has other health issues. She is on a concoction of drugs. It's delivered to her and has been wrong for a variety of reasons, the waste is shocking. Imagine if that is extrapolated to millions of people.

Do you get your hair coloured? Get manicures? Wear makeup? Get facials? What if you paid your hard earned money for one of these treatments in good faith but the person performing the service used an ingredient they shouldn’t have and you had a reaction to it? If your scalp started burning and hair falling out because someone used a knock off product? Should the NHS turn you away because your injuries were “self inflicted”?
You really are blaming the wrong person in this whole scenario. The case in this example is an argument for regulation of these services, not an excuse to blame the individual who was harmed.

If you got injured committing murder the NHS would treat you. It's a very slippery slope when we start to limit who we treat. The cost effective approach is applied equally to all.

My drs were trying so* *hardnot to see me thry mis diagnosed me over the phone cost me money on medication I didnt need and I ended up at a&e and cost thousands wlcos I ended up with a ct scan. And I had to pay again for the.meds I did need.

I used to take care of an elderly person
Asked every hospital visit to remove the paracetamol but they kept handing it out. I organised all her prescriptions but they'd keep us in hospital after they said she would be discharged and we waited hours every time as we had to have a new set of medication despite bringing in hwr stuff from home . I said id organise when needed but even if it was full boxes they would not let me take her home until we were given new stuff.

Then it would be wrong so id have to get it changed.

Must add my drs is famous for being like fort knox. You can't get through on the phone. Now they want you to do e consult so you can't access an appointment if yoir Internet at work is patchy or has blocked the site

Ha tip of the iceberg, the procedures like this are nothing compared to what is happening day to day.

Yes but a significant proportion of people with type II have other illnesses such as severe depression, as with a family member of mine, who was bereaved in very traumatic circumstances, or they have a disability, eg my cousin who had spinal surgery. Their diabetes type II arose out of situations that were totally outside of their control in other words.

That’s not to say that that gives them licence to give up all of their personal responsibility for their weight and lifestyle habits, but it’s not just as easy as “go on a diet”.

Yes, if it was as easy as “go on a diet” we’d all be perfect and live forever! Nobody shames cancer patients for getting sick - stop shaming diabetes patients! Some of it is the luck of the draw and some also due to other factors. It’s appalling the prejudice shown.

In most of these cases the problem is idiots trying to get it done cheap by people that aren't qualified

Here’s an idea: make the NHS available to all under 18’s, all those in education or other training beyond 18, all disabled people, all those that have contributed for more than 10 years, but are now unable to work, and all those making NI contributions in regular employment.

Anything cosmetic should be paid for privately. Any botched cosmetic should be corrected privately. You don’t need Botox, and it’s not an accident having it pumped into your skin.

Here’s an idea: make the NHS available to all under 18’s, all those in education or other training beyond 18, all disabled people, all those that have contributed for more than 10 years, but are now unable to work, and all those making NI contributions in regular employment.

What about older people who may not have had 10 years of contributions?

By taking a deposit up front or as @XenoBitch suggested, charging and then refunding upon attendance.