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MPs vote to decriminalise abortion

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AirborneElephant · 17/06/2025 19:34

AIBU to be thrilled! Sorry if there’s already a thread, couldn’t see one.

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Hoooray · 21/06/2025 06:09

Arran2024 · 20/06/2025 15:31

Ah, so you DO agree they have vested interests: "support for the woman requires one to be partial". So why tell me they do not have vested interests?

I have no problem with vested interests per se. I do believe though that we need to identify these and take this into account when we listen to what they say. And we should do the same with people making opposing arguments.

Do you know what a vested interest is? Could you set out what you think it means?

AlertCat · 21/06/2025 07:29

Arran2024 · 20/06/2025 18:19

I quite like people obeying the law. I believe that the law was put in place following discussion and we all agree to obey the law as part of the wider social contract.

I believe that new ideas which are to become law should be properly debated.

I believe that people, including women, can hold a range of views on any subject and are entitled to make their points.

I believe that there is a good reason for a 24 week limit and I dont agree that women shouldn't be prosecuted. I would prefer to see a bit of discretion tbf but ordering pills from India and taking them at 39 weeks, no, I dont think that should be given a bye.

I am suspicious of the organisations that want this because I believe they have not considered all the issues. They are 100% on the side of women having all the rights and the foetus having none and I accept that - this is their position and they ate entitled to it. But I think that's extreme and the 24 week limit is a good compromise.

I quite like people obeying the law. I believe that the law was put in place following discussion
This law has stood in its current form since 1870, when the law also considered women to be barely people in their own right, but mere chattels.

I believe that new ideas which are to become law should be properly debated.
There has been a campaign asking people to contact their MP about this amendment and it was debated in Parliament; it will continue to be open to scrutiny as this bill makes its way through parliament to become law. Doesn’t this process- our democratic process- count as being properly debated? Did you watch the debate on the amendment and find it wanting?

I believe that there is a good reason for a 24 week limit
and that limit remains unchanged.

ordering pills from India and taking them at 39 weeks, no, I dont think that should be given a bye.

ok really, how often do you imagine this will happen? It’s the most ridiculously unlikely scenario that you are using in order to object to the whole decriminalisation (which, by the way, is not the same as legalising. The process you describe would still be illegal, and people could still be prosecuted for it).

I am suspicious of the organisations that want this because I believe they have not considered all the issues.

Wow, all those experts in this area, professional bodies, people who spent their whole career working with women who go through the vast array of different situations around maternal and gynaecological health, different areas of women’s health, and you don’t think they have considered all the issues. Either you are incredibly arrogant to say this, or incredibly deluded.

They are 100% on the side of women having all the rights and the foetus having none

I don’t actually think you know what the legal position was, or what it will be after this change. I also don’t see you showing much interest in finding out, you just stick to your misinformed position.

ByWorthyBiscuit · 26/06/2025 13:16

DuncinToffee · 18/06/2025 13:53

@hamstersarse If you don't want an abortion, you don't have one.

Or do you just want to take away bodily autonomy?

And if you don't want to be pregnant, either abstain from sex or use contraception.

It's really not difficult.

DuncinToffee · 26/06/2025 13:24

ByWorthyBiscuit · 26/06/2025 13:16

And if you don't want to be pregnant, either abstain from sex or use contraception.

It's really not difficult.

Punish women rather than give them a choice to abort, nice.

pointythings · 26/06/2025 13:29

ByWorthyBiscuit · 26/06/2025 13:16

And if you don't want to be pregnant, either abstain from sex or use contraception.

It's really not difficult.

Please tell us about the 100% perfectly failsafe method of contraception that all men will joyfully use/that all women irrespective of medical conditions can use. Please also tell us about the failsafe method for sustaining a marriage or long term relationship whilst abstaining from sex for those of us who cannot use the current not failsafe contraception, especially those whose partners won't use barrier methods because 'it doesn't feel nice'.

Alternatively, develop some knowledge and human compassion.

SouthLondonMum22 · 26/06/2025 13:32

pointythings · 26/06/2025 13:29

Please tell us about the 100% perfectly failsafe method of contraception that all men will joyfully use/that all women irrespective of medical conditions can use. Please also tell us about the failsafe method for sustaining a marriage or long term relationship whilst abstaining from sex for those of us who cannot use the current not failsafe contraception, especially those whose partners won't use barrier methods because 'it doesn't feel nice'.

Alternatively, develop some knowledge and human compassion.

Or the fact that sex is consensual 100% of the time and rape never happens and abusive relationships with coercive sex also never happens.

JuneJustRains · 27/06/2025 16:58

pointythings · 26/06/2025 13:29

Please tell us about the 100% perfectly failsafe method of contraception that all men will joyfully use/that all women irrespective of medical conditions can use. Please also tell us about the failsafe method for sustaining a marriage or long term relationship whilst abstaining from sex for those of us who cannot use the current not failsafe contraception, especially those whose partners won't use barrier methods because 'it doesn't feel nice'.

Alternatively, develop some knowledge and human compassion.

And the fail-safe method of keeping one's circumstances the same once pregnant, without losing a job, a spouse, a relationship or a house; and the failsafe method of retaining physical and mental health rather than getting prenatal depression or hyperemesis.

19ptrialprice · 03/07/2025 01:57

ladykale · 17/06/2025 19:46

I think being able to abort a late term pregnancy for any reason is pretty disgusting. I don’t see the difference between this and leaving a new born in a bin to die when they are some way past the point that they could survive on the outside alone (25 weeks +). I think the current law strikes a decent balance between recognising that end a life is a big deal but acknowledging there are some situations when necessary late term

You are obviously obtuse if you can’t understand many woman are forced to have medical terminations in late pregnancy to save their own life. You did say any reason is disgusting.

JuneJustRains · 03/07/2025 16:13

I read that differently, 19ptrialprice. I thought the poster meant 'for any reason, even if the reason seems thin', rather than 'no matter how strong the reason'.

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