MPs vote to decriminalise abortion

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AIBU to be thrilled! Sorry if there’s already a thread, couldn’t see one.

Wtf are you on about? You been eating paint again?

A minority kill their babies shortly after birth, who’s to say they wouldn’t do it during childbirth? Perhaps if they thought they would be free from any criminal investigation.

Not common but not impossible either.

But abortion is what we are discussing - so if a woman arranges a termination outside of formal legal arrangements then that will no longer be a criminal offence that’s prosecutable

And that isn't abortion, and thus continues to be illegal

It’s painful really trying to explain this!

So is abortion still a criminal offence if the mother uses a backstreet DIY procedure on herself past 24 weeks?

Surely any at home abortion past this gestation isn’t following medical protocol as it’s not allowed, so women may still face charges if they don’t carry out their own abortions the “right way”. Seems like it’ll cause more confusion.

Lots of things have distinctive dna and trajectory towards life does that give them right over the bodies of the living this already in life??

eggs could’ve had a trajectory towards life, tad poles etc etc but they’re require the existence of external factors to become a life the same with humans.
existence is governed by the external. That for humans in the woman who choose wether grow it or not.

forcing people to grow others because of your personal beliefs is overstepping in the extreme. Mind your own womb

women’s rights and values cannot and should notcome at the expense of their capability to house pre term foetus. Babies are not a passive thing they should be an active choice always

Maybe you're confused. Others understand it perfectly.

Why don’t you try reading the law and the amendment?

but it has to be an medically approved abortion method, not a backstreet style one or she’ll still possibly face charges?

I think this needs to be crystal clear if that’s the case,

Obviously it seems to need to be crystal clear to you - so why not read up on it?

im sure most law enforcement and lawyers already have

Could you send me the link you have please where it specifies that any woman carrying out her own abortion after 24 weeks must still use one of the official medically approved methods for it be decriminalised.

I genuinely haven’t seen that on the sites I’ve been on, so feel it’s important for that to be clear.

The problems have arisen from the misuse of the abortion pills supplied by post. They are only supposed to be taken to abort pregnancies of 10 weeks or less. They are being used for late abortions.

Oh for crying out loud I never said that

look abortion is controlled by law - an abortion is defined by law - ergo anything deemed to be an abortion has to fit the legal definition

so anything deemed to be an abortion out side of the law ( and decriminalised) still has to fit the legal definition of abortion

EG abortion via pill - v stabbing a baby to death

if that’s too complicated then I give up

Routinely?

Ok so your interpretation is that any DIY coat hanger style abortions are still not decriminalised past 24 weeks.

As far as I can see this hasn’t been specified yet so will have to see what is actually said.

Who knows. The practice is virtually unregulated.

Oh dear - I’m not a lawyer so why not ask one or read the actual legislation?

if it was up to me it wouldn’t even be an issue because we’d have abortion on demand with no limits

You seem a tad hung up on having answers so go read up on it

So what you posted could also be untrue because’ no one knows’?

I think there will be cases where a woman tries to abort her baby using dodgy info from the Internet which doesn't involve the use of pills but eg coathangers. This could result in damage to the baby and/or produce an early labour rather than the hoped for abortion.

The thing is, the intent is to kill the foetus/baby. If it's born alive/ damaged, dont you think there would be a huge incentive to kill the baby? Now the mother is looking at murder charges.

I do think they should make it clear in the bill that they are talking specifically about taking pills only. Otherwise I suspect that vulnerable women will be advised to try all manner of awful ways to abort the baby. And it will be them looking after a disabled child if it goes wrong.

Not bollocks-facts.
Mothers will be able to administer abortion pills at home at any point.
These mothers will not be prosecuted even if they abort a full term baby.
There will be an infant's body to dispose of.
Doctors will not be involved after 24 weeks due to likelihood of prosecution for the doctor.
Thus the mother will effectively be in a back-street abortion nightmare-in the comfort of her own home.
Horrific.

I agree with @TyrannasaurusJex, you are talking bollocks.

Those are the facts, take it or leave it.

Abortion. Absolutely. Is. Murder!

Well, let's say you get a call from a hospital. They say you're a perfect match for a patient in need of a kidney or 4 pints of blood. You're legally required to donate; the penalty for refusing is up to three years prison.

That would be a violation of your bodily autonomy. Just as it would be if you were legally required to host an unwanted foetus and give birth.