New abortion laws

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I'm pro choice but the new potential abortion law changes feel a bit extreme to me. If I've understood right, if a woman was even in late stage of pregnancy (even say 35 weeks) could self abort the pregnancy and not face any charges for the death of a viable baby. I thought the 24 week mark was there for that reason. I know a woman still can't get a medically assisted abortion after 24 weeks (unless certain circumstances) but surely they'll just go home and do it now because theres nothing preventing them. No one should be in that situation surely. But if it was a case that a late pregnancy is now not wanted but a medically assisted abortion is not available and the woman knows they can do it themselves with no charges, wouldn't that just increase self done abortions?

If anything, shouldn't the law just change so that medical abortion at any stage is allowed then to at least make it safe for woman rather than them attempting a self abortion.

I'm not sure if the change in law opens up more issues than it fixes. And in part I feel that there's no protection for late pregnancies that the baby would have survived and now there's no legal charges for their life.

I've never really thought too much about abortion otherthan pro choice and felt the UK had a good middle ground.

And who is to say that the woman is safe from prosecution if she miscarried, but her phone shows she looked up abortion in the early weeks?

And we have already seen in brutal fucking real life, Dr's are scared to treat women losing their babies, refusing treatment for women who need it???

If thats the case then why do we need to change the law. The law is being changed to allow just that.

The vast majority of women are more than capable of making good choices when it comes to their bodies and shouldn't be policed about what they do with their bodies based on a small minority.

The vast majority of abortions happen within the first 12 weeks and the vast majority of women accept medical assistance during labour when necessary.

It is correct that a baby doesn't have rights until birth. As long as don't want to start a slippery slope when it comes to abortion laws anyway.

In that case almost all women are not pro-choice.

Who the fuck is encouraging late abortion???

There should be consequences for the provider, certainly. Late term abortions are exclusively in difficult cases of very troubled women. Very young, old, ill, abused. Prosecuting them serves no societal purpose hence decriminalisation but not legalisation.

No the law is (hopefully) being changed so that women who have miscarriages and still births aren't subject to criminal investigation and potential charges.

I'm completely pro choice.

I'm not comfortable with say a woman using abortion instead of birth control, however that's her choice. She probably has reasons for it, and needs support not prosecuting.

I also don't think there should be any distinction between how the foetus was created. any woman who wants an abortion should be able to get one as quickly as possible.

So what's the logical extension of your rationale? That you can abort a baby for absolutely any reason at any stage? What about sex selective abortion? What about the moment they're coming down the birth canal?
If your definition of pro-choice is that there are absolutely no conditions, that's fine, you just have to accept that virtually everyone (except an extremely radical minority) are not pro-choice.

No - it is not illegal to miscarry or have a still birth. This is about decriminalising abortion at the late stages, and that is not OK

Do you assume that, by virtue of being a woman and being pregnant, you are incapable of doing something that is callous and criminal?

Polling also indicates that around 70% of women in the UK support lowering the time limit to 20 weeks or less

I assume that if a woman was to do something so desperate to her own body then she needs to be able to seek medical help, and there will be other factors going on in her life as well.

Do you want every miscarriage and stillbirth to be investigated as a criminal matter?

Me too.

I also agree with as early as possible, as late as necessary.

I’m actually pro-life for myself but I wholeheartedly agree that a woman should be able to make the choice the whole time she is pregnant, without judgement. We should not be criminalising desperate women.

What do you mean, 'there is no public demand for change'? How do you know? Can you prove that assertion?

I'm scared of absolutely any legal justification for killing or injuring a viable baby.

You’ve just exactly proved my point. That poll was run by the Christian Institute. Independent polls do not find this.

Are you also scared of men just being allowed to walk away and not be held 50% accountable for all the financial, physical, emotional, domestic labour? Or is that all on women? Bevause so far in history, that’s been the case.

This law.

It changes the 24 week limit to 2 limits. A 24 week limit if you want to have it done by medical professionals, or an unlimited legal right up to birth if you do it yourself.

And yes, it would be an extremely small number of women that go down that route. Most women wouldn't sit and watch a newborn suffocate. But equally, most people don't commit murder, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't investigate mysterious deaths.

No the police aren't checking the phones of women having miscarriages. What convoluted clickbait made you think this is happening? And how would the police have time for anything else.

How can you possibly know the moral disposition of every single woman in the country who finds herself in an unwanted late term pregnancy? The majority would never do such a thing. A minority might if desperate. And a smaller minority might because they genuinely have no regard for the child's life. Safeguards exist for the MINORITY of cases, not the majority. Don't you think safeguards should exist to protect viable babies who may be at risk from injury or deliberate killing?

Yep I also think men should always be obligated to support their children

Oh, the police guidance on checking Women’s phones is very true. If you don’t know you’ve been living under a rock.

By yhd Timd I knew I was pregnant with my last child I was, in fact, three months pregnant, and yet I’d only missed my latest period. Under the latest guidance the police would have been all over my phone trying to prove I’d illegally had a medically managed abortion.
my body, my choice.

Dream on.

Women are the ones who carry not only the physical rusks of pregnancy, but the vast majority of everything ekse.

Our bodies, our lives are the ones seriously impacted in addition, our choice.

Those safeguards already exist.