Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

@literallyarabbit you're welcome 🙄

I imagine lots of people will be killed and if Israel take out the leadership, he will be replaced by another autocrat. How do you imagine it going? A liberal arrives on a unicorn and brings in a democracy?

I fully agree with this.
Yet another scenario that will work out well for all the oligarchs that are supporting Trump and Netenyahu in this!

Iran is committed to the annihilation of the State of Israel and has said so. That seems reason enough to me.

from "Politico" -

"According to official state doctrine, the primary goal of the mullahs in Tehran is the annihilation of the State of Israel. Ayatollah Khamenei has described Israel as a “cancerous tumor.” And clocks in the streets of Tehran celebrate countdowns to the “destruction of Israel.”

Are you serious?

After seeing what Netenyahu has done in Gaza, do you wonder why Israel is so hated? Why have they done before the social media came about that we don’t know of?
However much I hate the theocracy in Iran, I don’t trust a word that comes out of the mouth of this Israeli regime. They are war criminals committing genocide right in front of our eyes.

I wish people would stop throwing the word "genocide" around. It is offensive to Jewish people.

And your emotive half-baked opinions don't help the discussion.

@alikelylass It's not official state doctrine though. It's rhetoric from some Iranian leaders, and a lot of it has been misintepreted and misquoted. I'm not denying the hatred exists, but even hateful rhetoric doesn't amount to a threat that would justify an attack on a sovereign state. It comes down to the old 'weapons of mass destruction' thing that was used as the basis of the Iraq war (and which was later proven to never have existed, in that case). Iran's nuclear programme is Israel's 'excuse' for this attack (even though Israel itself has always been opaque about its own nuclear programme, and refused to sign up to the NPF Framework).

Maybe not using the word genocide is offensive to those suffering in Gaza.

Iran funded Hamas and therefore their actions have led directly to the situation in Gaza.
Their hatred of Israel started decades ago.

And once more, Israel is not committing genocide. Though that’s what Iran wants to inflict on Israel.

Dresden. Pearl Harbour. Hiroshima.
thats what started the end of WW2 and the destruction of a terror regime.

Fully agree with this.

but guess what? Keir Starmer has shown no backbone whatsoever and we will have Putin at one end, tens of millions of refugees at the other, and PM Farage in the middle.
What a shitshow. European needs to wake the hell up and unite.

I have been in Iran on business. They call the US Great Satan and the UK the Little Satan. It is a horrible regime and they are one of the greatest enemies of us all in the UK. Now is the time for regime change and for the people of Iran to be strong and ensure freedom including for women to wear what they like to prevail in their land so that all those including those who want to return and left in about 1979 can go back too to build a new and better Iran which would no longer be a pariah state. for far too long we are tolerated Iran funding terrorism from Hamas to the terrorists in Yemen.

How can you be certain about the rhetoric being as you suggest?

Plus it’s clear other democracies are seeing the general threat, hence recent statements.

Heaven forfend people are offended. How about: ethnic cleansing and war crimes? I'm sure that's more palatable.

Not sure if you are joking or throwing these words about because you lack empathy.

The devil is in the detail with a lot of the Geneva Conventions, for example in the case of Article 56 you might want to look at the caveats that state when protection from an attack might cease...

The whole thing is a grey area as I said upthread. There are valid arguments on both sides to the legitimacy of this conflict. It looks to me like it tips over into being an illegal attack on a sovereign nation but I'm not an international lawyer (or any kind of lawyer) and they're the ones who'll be arguing this at some point in the future.

The other problem is that attacking Iran is unlikely to solve any hatred of Israel/the West. It'll just radicalise more people, make terror attacks more likely in the West, and send millions of refugees our way.

Serious question: How is killing tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of civilians (who are trapped and have nowhere to run to) NOT a genocide?

Why? Are Palestinians children lesser humans than other children? And it is international bodies and the ICC calling them war crimes and genocide.

Why do you want us to forget about this? Bless the little humane heart of Netenyahu, he is only saving the world isn’t he?

This was an interesting discussion but of course it couldn't last.

Listening to Ursula van de Leyen and others on this I take they know the threat if Iran get to nuclear weapon stage. I don’t think those who do live in the U.K. are wise to downplay that.

I just want to add - there's also been plenty of hateful rhetoric coming out of Israel. Nissim Vaturi, Deputy Speaker in the Israeli Parliament, said he wanted to 'wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth', said 'Gaza must be burned' and that 'there are no innocents there.'

If the hateful rhetoric coming out of Iran justifies bombing it, then surely the same argument can be made in reverse?