Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

[Fitasafiddle1]

Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

I think you speak in a really dismissive tone about the ‘impact’ of thousands of killed and maimed children in Gaza. One child death through illegal Warfare practices is a tragedy for us all. (That applies to Israeli children killed my Hamas too)

I really hope that civilian children in Iran are spared from the same horror.

I don’t think Israel are moving outside of their international legal obligations given they are very likely to prove that the atrocity that ignited this latest escalation was in some parts sponsored by Iran. It is not an unprovoked attack. However Iran so far can also argue that they are using ‘moderate’ self defence.

I doubt the people of Iran care very much for this right now as they face being dragged into an all out war.

It was not my intention in any way to be dismissive of the suffering in Gaza, maybe your perception rather than my intention. Of course the crisis in Gaza is horrific and heartbreaking. I was simply highlighting that the problem could intensify now.

I was interested in this so have done a bit of a dive this morning, and it is definitely a grey area. Israel have been opaque about things like their nuclear arms programme, not signing up to the NPT Framework. Under current international law, a unilateral Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear programme would likely be considered illegal unless Iran had launched an armed attack or an imminent, undeniable threat could be proven - a high bar. Proxy attacks via Hezbollah and Hamas - not sure that's enough.

Either way - arrrrghhhh. Honestly, I just feel grim despair about the way the world is going.

Wrong room, I've wandered into the echo chamber.

Thank you for looking into it, I did too, and given the number of innocent people that died in Israel, this would enough.
In any case this kind of legal action would take decades even if it started tomorrow. Israel will argue they are a persecuted country and have always acted in self defence, and with restraint.

Are we really going to excuse Israel’s failure to prevent October 7 by calling it “inattention”? That wasn’t a small oversight – it was a major intelligence failure.

There were warnings – Egyptian intelligence alerted Israel days beforehand, and Israeli officials had detailed Hamas plans a lot earlier. Ignoring that isn’t inattention; it’s gross negligence.

In any functioning democracy, serious consequences would follow – resignations, investigations. Instead, the same leadership is escalating a devastating war that’s harming civilians on both sides.

Remember: this violence didn’t start on October 7. Palestinians have lived under occupation, siege, and bombardment for decades. What we’re seeing isn’t a “response” – it’s a deepening of systemic oppression. That includes starvation as a weapon: food blocked, farmland destroyed, people shot while seeking aid. Children are dying of hunger. That’s not defense – it’s collective punishment.

Now, with this pre-emptive strike on Iran, we’re witnessing desperation, not strategy. Netanyahu is clearly clinging to power – delaying elections, deflecting blame, and launching regional aggression to solidify his position. It’s becoming increasingly clear that, for Netanyahu, it’s not about protecting people or pursuing peace – it’s political survival.

Sources:

• Egyptian warning before Oct 7: https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
• On ignored Hamas plans: https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-knew-hamas-plans-weeks-before-before-oct-7-report-2024-6
• HRW on starvation as weapon: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza
• UN condemnation of aid blockade: https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-un-aid-blockade-4b3585957f01c88ea2ebb13b59d118b4
• Civilians shot at aid points: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/40-killed-gaza-many-trying-reach-food-un-denounces-israeli-backed-aid-system-2025-06-16/
• Netanyahu launching pre‑emptive strike to cling to power: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/13/benjamin-netanyahu-attack-iran-israel-us-nuclear

I hope this ends quickly for the millions of Iranians caught up in this, particularly the current regime's terror against women. Was listening to JoB yesterday and it was enraging, as usual. By this his misogyny knows no bounds. He actually spoke to those who have lived under this regime, all men, and came to the conclusion that it's not that bad, and not a time for women to be complaining for their lack of rights when hyper-inflation is so out of hand and people can't afford to eat.

I know many on here loathe everything about Israel, especially their foreign policy and leadership, but they are doing something good taking out the Ayatollah and his horrendous regime, much like they are taking out Hamas. The two are linked - Iran funds Hamas. Am not defending what is happening in Gaza, not at all, but Hamas is massively responsible for as much of it.

Wait. What?

You are essentially blaming Israel for October 7. DAVRO at its best.

Am speechless. Shame on you.

Oh, I don't think it matters whether it's against international law or not (and I disagree with you slightly as I don't think the 7th Oct atrocity can be placed squarely at Iran's door). I don't think Israel will face any consequences. That law seems to be completely toothless, as has been repeatedly proven.

nomas
"There was no peace for Palestinians. The ignorance here is astounding"

It most certainly is.

Can you highlight why you think Hamas have left Israel to feed their country for decades, supplying water and other aid? Whilst Hamas spent their time in other countries? Do you suppose that Hamas have been a decent government improving the well being of their population?

Of course Israel must continue to allow aid into Gaza, and any block to aid is unnecessary and unjustified. But one must ask why on earth the people of Gaza have been left in such a terrible position after Hamas committed such a terrible terror attack in the first place? They have paid the price, not Hamas sitting comfortably elsewhere.

How are posters here ‘ignorant’? Genuinely?

Does that not contravene the protocol additional of the Geneva conventions:
Article 56. Protection of works and installations containing dangerous forces

You are essentially blaming Israel for October 7. DAVRO at its best.

That's isn't what the poster said. Isreal underestimated Hamas

Seconded

The same could be said of Isreal...and their actions in Palestine.

@Fitasafiddle1 I’m not sure why you think I should be the one highlighting Hamas in this discussion. I haven’t defended them. Critcism of Israel is not a defense of Hamas. Criticism of Hamas is valid – and many Palestinians themselves are deeply critical of them.

But blaming Hamas alone for Gaza’s suffering erases two crucial realities:

1. Israel maintains near-total control over Gaza’s borders, airspace, population registry, economy, and imports even before October 7. That’s why the UN and international law still regard Gaza as occupied, and why Israel holds legal responsibility for the welfare of civilians in the territory it controls.
2. Collective punishment is a war crime. Even if Hamas committed atrocities, that does not give Israel the legal or moral right to starve or bomb civilians, block humanitarian aid, or destroy homes and hospitals. 70% of Gaza’s population is under 25. Children are dying here, not Hamas leaders. That’s not justice, it’s collective punishment.

So yes, even if Hamas is responsible for much of the suffering, Israel’s ongoing siege, bombings, and deliberate aid restrictions have compounded that suffering and disproportionately affected civilians. That’s why we’re seeing growing global outrage and legal action – not just at Hamas, but at Israel’s actions as well.

Let’s not forget: Israel is a sovereign state, not a stateless militia. With that sovereignty comes legal and moral responsibility under international law. So if we’re serious about justice and human rights, the focus can’t only be on Hamas. We have to hold Israel accountable too.

No, they really did not. But please, if that makes you feel better, by all means, believe that Israel knew what was planned and chose to ignore it/not take it seriously. However, it does not make it true.

Slow down & actually read posts properly @literallyarabbit. Acknowledging that Isreal underestimated things in a similar way that the American government underestimated intelligence before 9/11 does in no way make them complicit in what happened. It's not the same thing...

I would have thought that was pretty obvious OP. They've being bombed and told to evacuate their homes. They're terrified and hundreds have been killed.

I agree with you. Israel will have justify its actions and I’m certainly not condoning any loss of life or food blockades. Nor would anyone. What do you think the solution is out of interest?

Given Israel is where it is, largely down to their own trauma and tragedy? Why do you think there has been no attempt by Iran and others to show some empathy over the years for the persecution of the Jewish communities? To accommodate a peaceful solution? Why is there just so much hatred directed at Israel?

We know that there was never a ‘state’ as such even before Israel became established - it was a collection of different countries.

I don’t think it’s at all obvious which way things are going to go, unless you know something we don’t?

Please don't talk to me like I haven't understood what has been written, or what happened.

But thank you anyway 😘