Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

Israel is just the USA’s lackey.

Perhaps they are but it's in our governments interests to be friends with the USA.

Bibi was distracted and that's why Hamas got away with Oct. 7th. There were border patrol officers that tried to alert their superiors. But it was inattention, not collusion or conspiracy. In a sane universe the government would have fallen for its failure.

by law, Israel must hold an election by next October. Bibi is desperately trying to hold his coalition together to prevent having to call one sooner.

Please don’t pretend you give a shit about Iranians.

Muslims didn’t kill the Jews, Christians did.

I think it’s fair to say there is no country in the world that is going to comfortably accommodate nuclear development of a neighbour that has stated clearly and consistently their wish to annihilate them. I can understand how it must feel to be in Israel and feel concerned by such extreme hatred.

I can also understand the position of Iran and others, that their friends in Gaza have been marginalised and harmed by Israel and their wish to support them, in many different ways, is not so surprising either.

What is going to be flushed out is the commitment of other supporting nations of Iran,or will they evaporate into the background.

This sort of thing is usually decided by negotiation rather than carpet bombing though

Did the War on Terror involve carpet bombing or negotiation?

Also, no, the Mossad did not overthrow Mossadegh. If existed in 1953, but Israel was a poor country struggling to absorb new immigrants. They had no capacity for it. The US and UK were responsible because Mossadegh wanted to nationalise the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company.

Particularly when Israel refused to sign up to the NPT framework, so its own nuclear weapons programme is no less questionable than Iran's.

And how does attacking Iran in a “preemptive strike” help with this exactly?

None of that is an excuse for Israel to kill Iranians.

This is going to lead to millions of people fleeing the Gulf area and ending up here on small boats. It'll probably gift us Prime Minister Farage. So, as well as endless war which we'll probably be dragged into at some point, there's that to look forward to.

I agree, I thought the same thing this morning. I can’t see the population of Iran just sitting by and waiting for the same outcome as Iraq.

It's not exactly forcing it if the vast majority of the populace are behind it, which would be true of Iran. The current government are only still in power because of their brutality in getting rid of any opposition. Look at what happens to women who challenge their imposition of the veil or simply don't follow the draconian rules according to the Morality Police (violent men) e.g. Mahsa Amini.

That's a simplistic view that in any conflict you've got a 'good' side and a 'bad' side. In many cases, including this one, neither side are 'good.' Israel aren't interested in liberating the people of Iran from a despotic government. If they were, they wouldn't be bombing and killing them.

I actually think the Iranian people are incredibly resilient and courageous and inspirational and quite determined to take their country back. The resistance to the current brutal regime is very inspiring, and incredibly brave given what happens to people who stick their necks out. You only have to look at what it was like as a country before the current relegious zealots took over to see what is possible.

I think once the leadership is gone, Israel will stop bombarding and I hope Iranians can rebuild their nation. There are plenty of impressive Iranians who I think would return to help rebuild if the current regime was ousted (for whom it's currently not safe to return).

But a different government would be less of a threat to Israel - what they're trying to do is eliminate or reduce the threat. In this instance their goals align with the majority of Iranians - get rid of the current leaders.

We have seen in Afghanistan that even with decades of western education and some degree of autonomy, it did not remain in place once they returned to running their own affairs. As much as we want liberation and empowerment for women everywhere, it is right that we respect their traditions even if we disagree fundamentally with their values and choices.

I have personally spent a lot of time in the ME and many honour the ways of their ancestors and are rightly proud of their heritage. Not everyone necessarily wants women’s rights, in some cases not even the women themselves.

We can’t and shouldn’t attempt to westernise the world. It is very unlikely to work in Iran, and can create a more defensive and extreme reaction (I am thinking of ISIS) We have to respect other cultures and choices. But that doesn’t mean they can wage war on others or threaten other nations.

Did I say it was? That poster was trying to argue that Israel was a worse offender on human rights than Iran, which is ignorant garbage.

Both countries have committed human rights violations. Iran is a brutal theocratic dictatorship. I find the whataboutery by self proclaimed ‘pro-Palestinian’ posters disgusting.

What about Israel is not the answer to a conversation about the brutal, inhuman Iranian regime which is almost universally loathed by its people.

If you are having to argue in favour of a government who routinely executes citizens for being gay then you’ve been totally brainwashed by propaganda.

As I pointed out before, this is not a zero sum game. Israel is wrong for what it has done in Gaza. They should be held accountable. Aid should be allowed in to relieve suffering. Carpet bombing is not the answer.

But let’s not lie to ourselves about how everything got to this point. It undermines the Gazan plight to pretend that Iran is a victim on all this, instead of one of the major contributors to the current situation.

These are good points. It isn’t up to us to decide how this goes. Attempts at forcing Westernisation of the ME is what got everyone in to this mess.

Bringing down undemocratic governments in the ME has not been successful in recent history.
Afghanistan - Taliban back in power, Iraq and Syria - ISIL. Knocking out a known entity - such as Khamenei, creates a power vacuum, which leads to chaos and extremism, IMO.

Besides, when one country attacks another, it can breed nationalistic fervour rather than internal dissent, as we are seeing.

As for Israel defending itself from Iran-backed Hamas, is that the Hamas Israel supported over the PLO for years?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl

Is Qatar next?

It will take decades in reality

But a different government would be less of a threat to Israel

That is a very risky bet to make.

Does anyone know what Saudi’s latest position is?

I'm completely confident that Iranians don't want to be bombed, however much they may hate their own regime.

And it's against international law for any sovereign nation to launch an unprovoked attack on another. Israel will doubtless argue that Iran is an existential threat but it's equally arguable that Iran's actions against them have largely been defensive.

If it were free choice then ok but it doesn’t look like that for women in Afghanistan. The repercussions sound brutal and will remove that choice.

What stopped the women uprising in Iran? It wasn’t due to reaching aims it was this

The women's uprising in Iran, while initially sparked by the death of Mahsa Amini, faced significant suppression from the Iranian government, leading to a decline in the scale and intensity of the protests. Factors contributing to this included the government's use of force, internet restrictions, and the execution of protesters.