Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

I had to post this elsewhere but here goes, I’m actually going to write this somewhere to copy it out over and over

Iran funds Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, some iraqi militas etc (and assad at the time) to the tune of 1-3 billion dollars a year

Hamas - we all know what they do with their cash
Hezbollah - basically took over the Lebanese state like a zombie parasite, lots of assassinations , keeps lobbing bombs at Israel but finally because they have been eroded have been told to sit down and shut up by the actual government (who by the way are also emptying the Palestinian camps of their weapons)
houthis- thanks to the Iranians they now also have slaves about 150’000 dead yeminis and child soldiers
Assad - used Hezbollah and sent actual IRCG to help kill 300’000 civilians and about 300’000 combatants (no-ones really sure but thats best estimate).

Iran is responsible for way more arab deaths than Israel. Most of this effort is because Israel exists. Everywhere it has touched it has killed democratic institutions. Iran is extremely destabilising. No most of it’s neighbours are not perfect but literally no other country in the region has made as much a mess of the Middle east than Iran.

The west is responsible over the course of history for much of what we see today to be frank but Israel really isn’t destabilising anyone who doesn’t attack it. It’s kept a steady peace with Jordan and Egypt precisely because they don’t allow attacks to be launched on Israel from their territories and when it has occasionally happened it has been quite easy to see that it was not with the endorsement of either government.

I would like to hear from the Syrians who have en masse chosen to be refugees and are trying to reach or have already reached the U.K. Also, it is far too early to draw any conclusions. See for example Afghanistan.

It sounds like you are casting doubt on the idea of Israel as a Jewish state, which would be really stupid.

Throughout all my posts, I have only spoken about Israeli regime who believe have no faith except in power and money.
Israel as a country can be Jewish or Buddhist or whatever. It is not my business. I do not believe their war crimes are related the religion and I have tried my very best to keep it separate. I know that as citizens in my country, they are an incredibly amazing people.

But as pointed out before, it is quite important in the political context of the region that they are a Jewish state.

It's like you're trying to minimise the importance of that by being so dismissive of it.

Do you agree that there are many people in the region who really hate Jews?

Feel sorry for Israel. Surrounded by so many unstable countries ruled by deranged regimes.

@Amplepombear ”Throughout all my posts, I have only spoken about Israeli regime who believe have no faith except in power and money.”

Israel is not under a regime. In the next election they can simply vote Netanyahu in or out.
You are confused.

Do You say Netenyahu is doing what he is doing because he is a Jew? Or because he is a far right lunatic whose wet dreams have finally come true?
I think the religion is now just a screen behind which their apologists are trying to hide. It’s all about lands and money otherwise. As I have posted upthread. Netenyahu had never any intention to follow the Oslo Accord and is now arming local gangs of jihadis with Israeli money.

That is about as Jewish as this regime is.

You don't appear to have answered the question, which was "Do you agree that there are many people in the region who really hate Jews?"

Let me try and answer that:
Are there people in the region who hate Jews just for being Jews? I am sure there are. I am sure they are abhorrent.
are there people in the Israeli regime who hate Muslims in the region and elsewhere? I am sure there are and they are equally abhorrent.

HOWEVER, Israel and Palestinian issue is not just a Jewish vs Muslim though an element is there definitely. It is now a blatant land grab, refusal to listen to the international bodies in implementing a two state solution and the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

and now it is fast turning into Iraq and WMDs again. And Israeli regime was complicit then, they are complicit now.

Are there people in the region who hate Jews just for being Jews? I am sure there are. I am sure they are abhorrent.

Do you believe that this may form part of many people's in the region oft-stated desire to annihilate Israel?

I just wish if we could abolish all organised religions from this world - but then I think it will not make much of a difference. When you look at the core of it, it is nearly always about money and land though. So what is the point. It is depressing.

So you don't think a hatred of Jews forms any part of the motivation to annihilate Israel?

When will stupid men in power realise that bombing the shit out of the people they feel.threatened by, is not the answer to their security worries.

Does israel really think that their actions in Gaza and Iran will bring them long term security? It's utterly mad. The amount of festering hatred towards Israel (and the west, esp. America) will grow.exponentially.

The orphans of Gaza will never forget. They will not forget seeing their parents blown to bits, their homes destroyed. Iran will not forget this recent action and what is likely to come next.

If Israel thinks this is the answer to their safety and security concerns then Netenyahu is even crazier than I already believed.

So israel.says - We are going to obliterate you, bomb the shit out of you, tell.you what weapons you can and cannot have (while having those very same weapons.ourselves), then we will.expect.you to love us and always be kind to us and never hurt us. Eh??? Crazy.

Want another 7/10? Another 9/11? Something far worse that either?? These are sure fire ways to achieve such future incidents. And they may come sooner than Israel.and the USA think.

Madness.

This is fascinating.

This is a thread about Iran, and the attacks on Iran by Israel and vice versa.

But you are absolutely refusing to engage with the idea that Israel being a Jewish state has anything to do with the situation. Or that anyone would like to actually annihilate Israel.

Because it doesn't fit with your worldview?

Netenyahu stands accused of genocide and war crimes

Israel is the aggressor and the bully. They have destroyed the whole of Gaza and it's people.

I don't care if Israel.is a Jewish state or a Christian state or a Muslim state or an atheist state. Doesn't change the fact that Netenyahu is an evil psychopath.

Most people couldn't give a shit what religion the IDF are, they just want them to stop killing babies, kids, women and men indiscriminately and stealing land.

I don't care if Israel.is a Jewish state or a Christian state or a Muslim state or an atheist state.

But it's not about you, is it?

Like when the Houthis chant 'Death to Israel, a curse upon Jews', do you think they care if Israel is a Jewish state?

china could be more useful than the west in setting an agreement

Hang on... you are presumably aware that Israel has repeatedly pushed for a two state solution over the years, and palestine has every time refused? You are aware that in fact palestine has never ever agreed to a two state solution and in fact it is written into its constitution that they will never accept less than the complete destruction of Israel? You are also aware that palestine has (almost) always been the aggressor and the breaker of any agreed ceasefire. Including this last time, when Israel was trying to work with palestinians to bring about peace. And the Israelis who were leading this attempt and employing palestinians were the first to be raped, tortured and murdered? By the very people they had welcomed into their homes in an attempt to bring the two communities together? If you are not aware of any of this, what the fuck terrorist propaganda are you consuming?? It's very, very well-documented. It's one thing to say Israel is going too far, it's entirely another to call them the aggressor. Not only is it entirely incorrect, it is extremely offensive, bigoted hate speech.

Sorry, so Israel should just let the palestinians rape and murder their citizens, else they'll deserve a 9/11? Fuck me, there's a reason I can't spend long on these boards. I know I'm not supposed to accuse people of being bots but I have to believe the sickos spouting horrific shit like this don't really exist. The thought of them walking amongst us absolutely terrifies me.

There are plenty of Muslim and most other countries such as Pakistan who hate Israeli regime based on its resemblance to apartheid and not because it is a Jewish state.
Iran is a unique case due to its oil wealth which USA annd its allies have always wanted and they have been at the receiving end of regime changes via USA (and U.K. in the past) who also support Israel in the region. Also, Israeli regime’s refusal to event accept a two state solution is a key issue in increasing this suspicion of their future plans and they have waged plenty of proxy wars especially even after and despite Iran signing NPT.
I now believe Iran has always been on the hit list and it’s been a two way proxy war. Israel never extended a rose branch and Iranians are highly suspicious of anyone associated so closely with the USA that destroyed their country twice in the last 80 years.
Israel even attempted to bomb Pakistan at one time via India and were only stopped by India who got worried Pakistan had a far more advanced nuke programme than letting on.
i think you are truly mixing up Israeli regime’s expansionist and militant agenda with their religion. They have been USA’s gangster in the area long enough. Yes there is plenty of bigotry to go around but the modern world sees BiBi for what he is and who he stands with. Just today, two of his far right and militant Jewish ministers have been sanctioned by the U.K. government and rightly so too. Is U.K. government also anti-Jew then or is it that the world sees the expansionism and hates them for it regardless of their religion?

What do you think the Houthis mean when they say "A curse upon Jews"?

We can play this game all night. I can bring out plenty of anti-Muslim posts from Israeli regime’s pillars and you can bring out many anti-Jewish posts.

But what do you think about the rest of what I have typed here. This is a very nuanced situation and serving only the oligarchs who are getting richer by the minute.

The rest of us are paying for this and want it all to stop and negotiations started. I hate the mullahs, and hate the Israeli regime too.