Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

It is truly amazing that the real world isn’t as simple as their Tik Tok bubble makes out, isn’t it.

I have seen reports that Greta Thunberg and her crew refused to watch footage of the October 7th attacks because they thought it was propaganda.

Imagine how far down the cult/ conspiracy theory rabbit hole you have to be to believe that. Bonkers.

Yup can confirm, not Jewish, never been to Israel but have lived in the middle east and a fair few people from the region are rabidly anti-semitic, same in Pakistan.

They hang it on Israel but a lot of people really really just hate Jews and they fucking love a conspiracy theory. Perfectly lovely and otherwise sane people will start frothing at the mouth and banging on about Jewish conspiracies. Not Israel mind, Jews. It’s actually insane for someone who doesn’t really do racism to understand.

Anything they don’t like, some Jew did it. Personally if I were Jewish I’d take the apparent faith in my ability to run the world on the sly as a really really big compliment. 15 million Jews in the world, they must be scheming in shifts to attain such world domination. It’s pathetic really, total loser mindset.

She was almost immediately deported. Were they trying to get her to watch it on the plane?

I think they just don’t think to check if something is true, I was watching one of these street interviews on a pro-palestine protest. Some moron claimed that millions of children had died in Gaza, the interviewer had to gently point out that there were only 2 million people in gaza. i mean the fatalities are awful and I never want to see another child amputee ever again. But you should know some very basic facts before you form a conclusion. I mean you may still hold the same view which is fine but at least try to understand whats going on.

Quite far down a rabbit hole. That’s the problem.

She was but others in her party who also refused were kept. They were told they needed to as part of the agreement for their release. This was in the few hours between them being arrested and Thunberg being out on a plane.

I admire and respect her work on climate change but the whole boat stunt was enormously misguided, as are all these attention grabbing activist social media things.

What did it do except inflame the situation?

It’s depressing. No one seems to have read anything or talked to other people. They just watch over inflammatory videos.

It’s an idiocracy.

It's horrific. The overwhelming majority of those people are normal, loving, good people who have suffered under the Iranian regime and do not deserve to die for it. Telling a city of ten million to evacuate is pointless - imagine asking the entirety of London to leave in one go. Logistically impossible. This is an evil situation.

Oh god the people on that convoy, I felt really sorry for those police officers, some of the stuff was just deeply culturally inappropriate and also extremely rude. They had no awareness of how to behave, the narcissism and entitlement was something to behold.

I think they genuinely believed the IDF had built and were policing the border. Right at the beginning of the war in Gaza there were news reports showing Egypt reinforcing their side. I mean how can you miss it if you actually read or watch the news.

It drew attention to the situation and the blockade.

So Thunberg didn't say October 7 was propaganda? I can't find any information on members of her crew saying October 7 was propaganda either. I'm not sure how tensions could be inflamed further given the situation though I suppose they're lucky they escaped with their lives, given what's happened to activists in the past.

The people of Iran deserve better than their current leader, Netanyahu and Trump. They’re all callous bastards.

There's no need to be snarky. It's common sense, read any article or book on how people are radicalised.

It's not surprising. News outlets are not being allowed into Gaza to see anything for themselves or report back independently. This means both that Israel looks suspicious for not allowing it, and Hamas can say what they like without it being contradicted. It's a breeding ground for misinformation and propaganda.

Because Hamas were the cause of the current conflict?
Because Hamas think more of a pathetic sky fairy than they do actual humans?
Because Hamas refuses to release hostages?

No. I am not. This was extensively reported in both Israeli media and English.

hamas is still responsible for Oct. 7th. They did it. Israeli intelligence underestimated the threat.

that was the conclusion of the Shabak, no less.

Israel spy agency lists failures in preventing Oct. 7 attack

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/05/nx-s1-5318591/israel-shin-bet-security-failure-october-7-attack

I am glad that the U.K. foreign office has shown a mature response. From the Foreign Sec’s statement yesterday:

‘Ours is a hard-headed realist assessment of how best to tackle this grave threat. Fundamentally, no military action can put and end to Iran’s nuclear capabilities.’

I am glad that U.K. recognises military action is absolutely not gonna do this job.

Most people are radicalised on-line or, in UK, in prison

The West and their pipe dream about “people rising” and new beautiful democracy 🫣 especially after military threats by a foreign power

yeah that’s exactly what happened in Iraq and Lybia and Syria… and Afghanistan…
all hunky dory!

some people just never learn

I’m not sure this is the main aim. It could be to get power that’s not so tied to getting nuclear weapons.

I mean people on this thread (in the beginning) going on about how they hope people will rise and this might be a new era for Iran
Unbelivable

How and why do you think Hamas gained enough support to become the government in Gaza in the first place? It's because ordinary people are radicalised by suffering.

That's not quite correct.

In January 2006 the Palestinian territories held what turned out to be their last parliamentary elections. Hamas won a bare plurality of votes (44 percent to the more moderate Fatah party’s 41 percent) but, given the electoral system, a strong majority of seats (74 to 45).

As neither party was keen on sharing power fighting broke out between the two. When a unity government was finally formed in June 2007, Hamas broke the deal, started murdering Fatah members, and, in the end, took total control of the Gaza Strip.
Those who weren’t killed fled to the West Bank, and the territories have remained split ever since.

Regardless of how we got here, we are here and we need to deal with this mess.

It is crucial that nuclear armament is kept away from regimes like Israel’s and Iran’s because neither have shown the world can trust them in any way.

This is a logical way to achieve some semblance of balance in the region again.

Both should be brought to table, both regimes should face the ICC in an open trial.

I know it is very hard to achieve but we must start somewhere if we are to avoid getting this close to WW3.

Yes they are not a beacon of democracy reflecting the will of the people, they are effectively a militia masquerading as a government, hence the issues in Gaza. A serious government would never allow their population to suffer so horrifically, moreover they would have been working towards a solution a long time ago. These people are cannon fodder, nothing more or less with little to no value.

Hamas are the puppets of Iran and other shady operators, and are paid as such. They are not there for the people of Gaza.

It’s easy to blame Israel for the plight of Gaza, but the truth is much closer to home and lies with Hamas and their backers. They would have starved decades ago without intervention.

That said Israel should never sink their own values by withholding basic necessities, I hope they continue to allow aid and essentials.

Yes, although that looks like the words of ChatGPT, but the reason Hamas exists in the first place is because of Gaza being effectively a prison state controlled by Israel. Nobody likes living like that. It inevitably causes radicalisation, just as this war will radicalise more people. I'm sorry but it's delusional to believe this war with Gaza/Iran will actually somehow create peace in the Middle East. History shows us that it just leads to more radicalisation, more violence, and more wars.