Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

I haven’t excused Israel. I have pointed out that it is a Jewish state and I have also pointed out that some people in the region really hate Jews.

This is entirely relevant when discussing Israel and certain groups’ motivations for attacking it.

It’s not all about Gaza, however much some people seem to like to make out that it is.

So I think it’s fair to say no one on here wants any loss of life, particularly those of precious children wherever they live.

If indeed Israel are also using hateful language and threats, those ministers must be sacked. We need to bring this conflict down in temperature, nothing can be achieved like this.

There are some agreements by all parties. The need for security and peace chief amongst them.

We do have to acknowledge that Hamas have never wanted peace, and so this is the starting point surely.

The people of Gaza need a working government that functions in their best interests. A ragtag militia is not a competent government. This is one area that could be improved, a leadership that was prepared to work with Israel would be a start.

Do you think the people of Gaza would vote to keep the peace - even prosperity, in time? Possibly, but we won’t know until we try something new. We can not carry on as before.

Assuming a working government that cares for the people of Gaza is installed, and Hamas are sent to the outback and become obsolete, that doesn’t address the central issue with Iran. Hence I see why Israel may now be moving into the real area of contention and resources, Iran itself.

So the question is - do Iran and its people feel the same hatred for Israel and the West? Or is it a small but very influential, powerful group? And what motivates their hatred? Please be honest and open if you have some answers. We are keen to listen. Is it tradition? Values? Globalism? Religion?

I have had this discussion multiple times in the ME, I have some idea, but would like to know other’s views.

So are you also calling out the ongoing genocides in Darfur, Yemen, and those involving the Tigray, Rohingya, and Uyghur?

Or is it just the Israelis you have a problem with?

Egypt has a border with Gaza. Why isn’t it held to account too.

also billions of aid has gone to Gaza - from the US, GB and others. Hamas diverted this aid to build tunnels, weaponise the population and the leaders living in comfort in Qatar. It isn’t Israel that has ‘starved’ the Gaza population - it’s their terrible leadership.

That is true, however the plight of the people in Gaza isn’t being helped by aid being held up. So that is fair enough. Much/most of the aid is coming from the West, that also needs to recognised.

Whatever happened to Russia's full scale invasion of Europe? Where's Mr Z gone? Where's all the money gone? Suddenly things in Europe don't seem so desperate. Can we have our money back to spend it on the desperate situation in the UK, in that case?

There was an attack on Kyiv that killed fifteen people last night. It hasn't gone anywhere.

@tramtracks "Egypt has a border with Gaza. Why isn’t it held to account too"

A good point.

Here's the answer -

apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

I think Israel has led one of the most visual and loud campaigns of terror in recent time so get the limelight. Also none of the others have an unventilated nuke arsenal and attacking other countries blatantly right while committing genocide and land grab in their own backyard.
Briefly, none of these countries others are at risk of starting WW3.

So you want Israel to kill Palestinians with impunity and others to take the refugees? Is that what you are saying?

Can you explain how you want me to prove a negative ?

Which question was that, exactly?

Indeed. Oh dear.

Of course. You can demonstrate how Israel have complied with international law at every stage of the invasion and subsequent attacks on surrounding countries. For example, protecting civilians, providing aid, excluding aid workers and journalists from attack, leaving essential infrastructure in place and complying with the Geneva Convention and international treaties as well as stipulations from the UN.

The weapons grade Uranium has been verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency. It has been confirmed by them and others that they have produced Uranium at least 60% enriched. Far far more than is required for energy production. This is high weapons grade Uranium. Hidden in underground bunkers built specifically for this purpose.

Tbh - this is an unarguable factual situation.

The question is whether Iran would use such a weapon. I think they would and that their ideology is so counter to any ‘peaceful’ rhetoric that the threat is very real indeed.

others disagree, which of course is their right.
For me this would be enough to support their targeted destruction of the nuclear scientists and the research labs/storage facilities .

Can you list ONE nation that Iran has attacked so far. Can you list ONE neighbour that Israel has NOT attacked so far?

don’t bring proxies into it - Israel, US, UK, Iran, and all the rest of the world use proxies.

Also, should we do this to Israel also? I mean drop bunker busters on them seeing as they have a war criminal at the helm who has already killed tens of thousands in front of our eyes.

They surely can’t be allowed to keep their nukes, can they?

I read in the Matthew Syed article recently in the Times about this that Iran sent 20,000 children onto minefields to die in the Iran-Iraq war - have since done more research and corroborated this fact. They were convinced (brainwashed) into being 'religious martyrs'. Children cleared mines with their bodies, were told they'd go to heaven. He also says in this article that western commentators make the mistake of not recognising that the Iranian leadership is a death cult - they really don't care if their own people die. They wouldn't show restraint out of fear of repercussions if they were to use a nuclear weapon.

Syed says many of the Iranian population support Israel's actions because they understand this better than we do. It's an interesting article (in which he also criticises Israel, but for their actions in Gaza, not for attacking Iran).

Israel knows what we won’t accept: the mullahs want nuclear war

The sooner the Iranian leadership is toppled the better. I know some Iranians and they are decent hard working people who hate the current regime.

The Iranian regime causes much of the ME issues and props up Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas and by extension all their useful idiots we see protesting on UK streets every weekend for the Gazans. All of them anti semitic and want jews exterminated "from the river to the sea" as they merrily chant in towns across the UK. The sooner they are brought down the whole rotten lot will collapse and the decent Iranians, Lebanese and Palestinians can take back control again.

After Iran, most of the ME issues are then probably the result of Labour's dodgy dossier and their determination to take the UK into a war killing 500,000 the results of which are still being felt today... yet people still vote Labour despite this record. Unbelievable.

Right, now Iranians are begging Israel for a regime change. 🙄 Now I have heard it all.

So those genocides are not important because the perpetrators don't have nukes ? Really ?

And what is an "unventilated nuke arsenal " ?

Iran and Israel are chalk and cheese. The former kills girls who do not conform to Islamic dress codes, the latter gives women full and equal human rights. The former will kill gays and anyone else that opposes it, the latter is a democracy.

Yes of course Israel will attack those that attack it. Several times over it's short history Israel's neighbours have tried to exterminate it, each time Israel has defended itself. Sadly it's attackers hide in hospitals, schools etc. Hamas's supporters even regurgitate Hamas' own statistics like 500 killed by Israel in a hospital... oh wait that was Hamas wasn't it!

The sooner Israel, Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas and their useful idiots waving their flags on the streets of the UK are deposed the better life will be for everyone in the ME. Some people won't be happy until only the jews are exterminated though, right?