There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/14/keir-starmer-national-inquiry-grooming-gangs

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YABU: this was unnecessary
YANBU: this was the right thing to do

That's not an argument, it's an exercise in condescension (you're very adept) followed by a childish emoji. Exploring other instances of institutional cover ups whilst talking about institutional cover ups is not 'whatabouttery'. It's on point. Personal attacks because you don't have an intelligent response, are not.

💯It is a tactic to wear you down, these pps are not arguing in good faith. They have been doing it from page 1 and we are onto pg 6 now. Same old same. It is very illustrative for the bystanders.

Thanks, I'm glad it's not just me (am I allowed this 'childish emoji ? 🫩) funny with the liberals, always resorting to insults when they can't brainwash and accept others perfectly valid reasoning.

The Church has made statements/ apologies / commissioned lay people to conduct enquiries reviews/ reports

Yes, and then sidelined / discredited and otherwise led to resign so that they could carry on doing exactly as they wish ... as in the local church which has re-imported the priest who originally skipped back to Ireland ahead of the police

Ditto so many other institutions - churches, government, local authorities and hospital boards included, where a public "show of doing something" replaces actually doing it but fools some while they wait for attention to move onto something else

The whole process of hide/deflect/rationalise is so deep rooted - and depressingly so widespread - that it's going to take a lot more than current circumstances to change mindsets, and that's if it can ever be done

This is very true; I’m an SA survivor, of a white ‘paedophile ring’, of which my F was a member, as is my DSis. That was in the 70s and early 80s. So I’m in agreement that such ‘rings’ function the same as grooming gangs. Although I suspect that they’re far more secretive about what they’re doing. That might go some way to explain why the stats suggest that CSA is more prevalent per capita in the Pakistani community.

I also disagree with the suggestion that white families don’t protect abusers. They certainly do! Children are accused of lying/asking for it in much the same way. They’re also threatened into silence. So very few children report the abuse.

If you and others want to talk about the ( horrendous) failings of the Catholic Church in Ireland can I suggest you start a new thread?

There are specific issues related to the Pakistani grooming gangs and linking them to other abuse scandals obfuscates some of the issues

It’ll be a white wash, and full of mealy mouthed ‘lessons learned’.

I agree. It's because nobody want to start looking at the uncomfortable bits : like why are certain communities segregating themselves ? What's going on that is making them feel it is ok to not mix with white British people ? (Majority) And looking at why it doesn't get talked about. I should imagine cries of "racist!" "White tears/white fragility" is what stops a lot of it.... You literally are cornered from starting conversations.

I went down a rabbit hole about this last night.

It seems like most of Pakistani immigrants to the UK, and most of the grooming gangs, weren't just Pakistani but from a region called the Mirpur valley, which is a fascinating history and has been largely isolated from the rest of Pakistan due to it's remote location for centuries.

I read a couple of articles about the honour-based approach to sexual conduct and the clan structures in the area and how this culture could have contributed to the abuse.

You might be aware already but it was all new to me and very interesting.

It also highlighted the problems with calling the gangs "Asian", as there is no increased risk associated with large Indian or Bangladeshi populations in an area. It's not the Asian diaspora, it's Pakistan, and a very small region of Pakistan at that.

I hope the inquiry goes in to this level of detail. Truth is more important than narratives, even if that narrative is pushed by individuals we call far right.

Absolutely agree with that about white families protecting abusers. We have this idea in our society that most people who report are liars, an idea created by abusers to enable them to get away with more abuse and one which most people in society believe. When someone gets away with their crime they aren't going to admit they got away with it. They of course say that person confessed to lying and that is why they are walking free. And given most rapists walk free that is a whole lot of rapists saying they were falsely accused to explain away why they were not prosecuted. We also have an issue with the justice system that actively blocks rape in the system to fudge data. We also have an issue with misogyny and victim blaming which again supports these abusers and causes reluctance to report. All this contributes to ignoring victims and backing abusers. So I agree with every point you make. This is something that we as a society need to change.

In my area there is a lot of work being done to integrate - things like 'visit my mosque' started and lots of activities for families, women, male events that are welcoming people of all faiths and no faiths to come together. Fun days, women's yoga, chat and chai, badminton, football tournaments, crafting and they always offer community iftar during Ramadan where you can go and eat with the community as they break their fast. There is also a homeless support with the local mosque that feeds anyone in the area each night regardless of their faith or lack of faith. There was also a huge fun day organised in our area with the purpose of integration and it was a huge success. As an area where there has been racial divide in the past, there is a lot of work being done by the muslim community here to bridge that divide.

The visit my mosque is a national event usually in the autumn - is there one near you you could go to?

You find it hard to understand why a migrant to a different majority culture would look to live (a) near to the workplace (b) where they might find a few familiar faces and reminders of home? In exactly the same way that British migrants (oops sorry “ex pats”) do when they work or live in other countries?

A friend of my mother’s was a young nurse in A&E at St Mary’s Paddington in the 50s which was then a poor WC area.

Victims of incestuous/family sexual abuse were commonplace and there was a gynae reg almost permanently placed in A&E. On raising this as a shocked young nurse she was told “don’t be silly that is just what these [WC] people do, patch them up and send them on their way”. Wife beating, knifing etc all treated in the same way.

She also did shifts for extra money with one of the gynae consultants at his private Harley Street clinic. This time the victims were girls from upper MC/titled families. The response this time was “don’t be ridiculous her father is a judge/lord knobface/general/a colleague of the consultant”.

Nothing new about victims being ignored.

In places like Saudi, immigrants live in gated communities, completely segregated from locals. You often hear them waxing lyrically about how wonderful it all is and how they can't believe the silly reports about lack of human rights.

I've lived in a few countries and it's very typical for immigrants to live near each other.

Well... That makes it ok then

Absolutely it is nothing new! It is often the case that they are labelled mental too so that they can be discredited if they report - well we can't believe X because they have such and such. That is the whole point of some of the labels.

We have a lot to change in society as a whole to help victims.

Absolutely agree

Thank you. This is the sort of granular data collection needed if the problem is to be properly addressed.
It’s not good enough to just lump all the scandals together.
There are different causal factors involved.

Makes what OK?

I think the point *MiloMinderbinder9258 *made is like why are white communities segregating themselves? What's going on that is making them feel it is ok to not mix with the muslim population? (Majority) And looking at why it doesn't get talked about.

I was already aware of this, MrsSunshine2b, and very much agree with you that it's important to name these issues for what they are rather than risk damning people who are largely uninvolved

Trouble is, naming Pakistanis in areas where offending really is disproportionate to their numbers would cause a great deal of angst, so we'd be straight back where we started with the mindsets which put community sensitivies about all else

So my question for @Fetaface is “why are the Pakistani ( more specifically Mipuri ) communities so highly represented in the grooming gangs compared to other Asian groups?
Why don’t you want to talk about that and why are you constantly on this thread deflecting from that issue?
Are you connected with the Pakistani Mipuri community ?

I agree, difficult questions have to be addressed. I'm not sure how you can get round the issue of lack of cultural integration, it can't be forced and ultimately people have to ' buy in'to the concept that it's a good thing for social cohesion.