There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/14/keir-starmer-national-inquiry-grooming-gangs

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YABU: this was unnecessary
YANBU: this was the right thing to do

What a way to create a united ireland by terrorising people! Worked well didn't it?

I haven't said that the IRA is driven by religion. I said the IRA was made up of Catholics and yes they were involved in a terrorist campaign.

Do some research before you wade in on topics you don’t know much about

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It's not me who doesn't understand very easily verifiable facts.

You've done your best to explain but the ignorance whether deliberate or malicious shown from some posters is glaring. Deflecting the spotlight away from Baroness Casey's report into the Pakistani grooming gangs.

More deflection I agree. Most are realising what held for with Labour - far right dog whistle plus look over there - is no longer valid.

Well said. I think that particular poster is only comfortable denigrating majority UK+Irish white groups. But it's a deflection tactic we've accepted as the norm for the past couple of decades, so, I guess it's going to take time to unbrainwash some people and realise you can also speak uncomfortable truths about minority groups too - (and shock horror, most people have got the ability to not instantly hate all brown or black people because of it !)

Ps catholics are not a minority group in the UK , they're a 'type' of Christian. The majority UK religion. So your whatabouttery when comparing to Muslims doesn't work.

Rubbish. It’s probably still going on. In which case there does need to be a review to save any more children having to suffer the same.

Sadly, I think the majority of us can see that views such as the particular poster up thread are the reason we're in this sorry mess as a society.

All under the guise of an "educated" viewpoint. Which is why it has gained traction. Sometimes you need to take away all the over analysis and tying yourself in knots to prove otherwise and simply 'say what you see' most often, the most obvious answer, is usually the correct one(in this case that there's a very strong link with Pakistani perpetrators in the UK ) I expect it'll blow that posters mind that I have Pakistani male colleagues in my profession that I manage to get on with very well indeed without discriminating against them or hating on them. Doesn't stop the truth of these gangs though does it ?

It’s just more of the same tactics that got us here.

This is what is happening on this thread. The same whatabouttery by the same kind of actors who feign concern about victims.
https://x.com/StarkNakedBrief/status/1935066071201161517?t=4Meg7c7MvtqrEN6ALwXoYw&s=19

Don't allow these posters to bog you down with stats, outrage and the same circular reasoning. It is time to laugh them out of the room.

Why are you so desperate to scapegoat people? I'm pointing out that there are failures in all institutions, irrespective of ethnicity and you seem determined to blame only one section of society.

Catholics are a minority in England, the majority of Christians are C of E. Catholics have also been persecuted for their faith, singling them out from the majority.

I'm arguing that everyone in a community shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of a few. I don't expect every Catholic I meet to prostrate themselves and beg forgiveness and I don't expect every Muslim to either.

It is quite gratifying to see their desperation and indefatigability. Slow clap for the effort. But you are doomed to fail. There are too many survivors and too much abuse, a lot of it still ongoing. They will speak - and many more ordinary people are now aware and will listen.

Interesting how you denigrate people who disagree with you and say they're 'brainwashed' when they talk about all systemic abuse and injustice rather than pin it all on ethnic minorities. It seems as though some don't want to hear the uncomfortable truths they keep talking about.

I don’t agree that ordinary Irish Catholics didn’t look the other way. Girls sent to the Laundries were sent by their own families. If they ran away they would be rounded up by locals and the Garda and taken back. If abused girls were pregnant they would blame the girls.

The abusers in the clergy were able to get away with such wide scale abuse because too many ordinary people in communities looked the other way and did not want to see, refused to believe victims who spoke out, just as some in modern Ireland refuse to see the problems with racism in society.

This is certainly not unique to Ireland. The phenomenon of wilfully not seeing things for personal convenience or a reluctance to speak out cross every culture, race and religion. If you speak to French families in the south of France every family was connected to the Resistance - if just half of them were true then the Vichy regime would have collapsed on day 2.

Denial of this phenomenon is part of the problem. All we can do is talk about it, talk about how individuals might have behaved differently, accept that the whole community had some accountability and encourage people to speak up (which is broadly how West Germany tackled Nazism in schools after WW2). It is why safeguarding can never have sacred cows and shutting down debate is toxic.

I don’t disagree with any of this but it is a deflection

You're talking in extremes. It's a common tactic of the liberals. I never once said "all Muslims should be held accountable for the acts of terrorists" never said it.

I don't get what you find so difficult to understand about this : Muslim and islam is not a western world religion. We've embraced multiculturalism (it's a lovely idea and it's a shame it isn't working so successfully) so when In a majority white, majority Christian/atheist small island , all recent terrorist attacks have been done by people labelling themselves as "Muslim" : I would think it's an absolute no brainer for Muslim community leaders to start advertising "not in our name ". Otherwise hatred and prejudice and hostility and division starts spreading. Especially when we hear "the Muslim community are appalled by these atrocities done in their name" yet we hear very little from the actual Muslim community.....

From the subject of the thread? Yes fair enough. A thread on the general issue of why communities look the other way and how to change that would be interesting. There is no one size fits all - its inherent in society since the dawn of society.

It's whatabouttery. Remember that tired old example that I'm getting out of breath repeating on here : Spanish/Vs British drunkenness. So we include all drunken behaviour from all nationalities including the Spanish. We can't simply extrapolate a theme of "there's a lot of Brits coming here causing drunken chaos "???

I don't get how you cannot see your blinkered view. Well thank goodness, your type of 'look, look over there' it's everyone at it', is fast becoming unfashionable. I think most of us would like balance. But in your head, anyone who points out uncomfortable truths about a minority instantly is saying they hate all black and brown people. It's crazy !

Yet again you're homogonising. I'm not 'all liberals', we're not the borg.

Your argument is very confused. You are talking about the Muslim 'communitiy' being held accountable and taking responsibility for the actions of a minority. Yet when I mention other 'communities' doing the same thing, that's denigrating them.

This is becoming circular because you're just repeating yourself. We didn't expect Catholic leaders and members to take responsibility for the actions of the IRA because most were sensible enough to understand that they didn't represent over a billion people.

What happens when you get tunnel vision, is that you don't see things in a wider context. For example, I see this scandal as an example of ingrained misogyny both from the gang members and society as a whole. It went on for decades because the survivors were seen as "trash" by all involved.

They were revictimised by everyone meant to help them. In fact, I'm sure one of them fled to Australia with her family because no one would protect her. That says a lot about how VAWAG is seen in society. We should be focused on shining a light on how this happened and making sure it doesn't continue.

You're calling me blinkered! Thanks for the laugh.

Luckily others are reading this thread. I'll make it simple for you : you keep harping on and on about the catholics as whatabouttery: I agreed with you, yes leaders should come out and deplore those awful crimes from "their own".

I also said Muslim leaders should too.

But you can't agree on that. You seem to keep going round in circles everytime I mention it. With "AHH but the catholics" and I'm saying "yes I agree, same with the Muslim community" then you come along again "AHH but the catholics" ... 🥱