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Career or looks in women?

146 replies

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 17:07

What do you think it more important for a woman? I’ve seen some very beautiful women do well in life without a “well paid” career.. I get that career will make your own money but is a career really necessary if your attractive?

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IndeedReally · 13/06/2025 19:01

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 18:49

Above average. But also equally as attractive on the inside. Highly intelligent and career driven. Also, in a long term relationship (13 years) with my childhood sweetheart. With him purely based on love.

Gosh you're so lucky to have it all!

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:02

Cherrytree86 · 13/06/2025 18:55

@Coffeeloveer

and so modest too!

Also how do you know you’re above average attractive? That’s very subjective.

I’m only being honest. Would you prefer I lie for your benefit? Indeed, beauty is subjective. But attractiveness in general can be assessed on facial symmetry etc. My face is attractive. I know what I see in the mirror. I have also been told enough times from both men and women from all demographics, over the years.

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Thepeopleversuswork · 13/06/2025 19:04

I’m only being honest. Would you prefer I lie for your benefit? Indeed, beauty is subjective. But attractiveness in general can be assessed on facial symmetry etc. My face is attractive. I know what I see in the mirror. I have also been told enough times from both men and women from all demographics, over the years.

OK that all sounds rigorous, glad we got to the facts of the matter.

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:04

IndeedReally · 13/06/2025 19:01

Gosh you're so lucky to have it all!

I am, thank you for saying so.

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Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:05

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/06/2025 19:04

I’m only being honest. Would you prefer I lie for your benefit? Indeed, beauty is subjective. But attractiveness in general can be assessed on facial symmetry etc. My face is attractive. I know what I see in the mirror. I have also been told enough times from both men and women from all demographics, over the years.

OK that all sounds rigorous, glad we got to the facts of the matter.

You have to be here. Otherwise, people twist your words or get the wrong end of the stick.

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Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:07

Crushed23 · 13/06/2025 18:25

I’m sorry, I’m just used to people using at least some punctuation.

Do you want to try again and I can hopefully respond to your reply?

Maybe you should brush up on your own grammar before trying to be smart.

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 13/06/2025 19:09

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:02

I’m only being honest. Would you prefer I lie for your benefit? Indeed, beauty is subjective. But attractiveness in general can be assessed on facial symmetry etc. My face is attractive. I know what I see in the mirror. I have also been told enough times from both men and women from all demographics, over the years.

What you mean by this is "when I look in the mirror, I see someone I consider attractive", right?

Maybe you're conventionally attractive, lucky you. This thread however, definitely suggests that the other thing you think, that you're attractive internally, is incorrect.

TheBig50 · 13/06/2025 19:12

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 18:49

Above average. But also equally as attractive on the inside. Highly intelligent and career driven. Also, in a long term relationship (13 years) with my childhood sweetheart. With him purely based on love.

You might want to proof read your opening post before making such bold claims.

IndeedReally · 13/06/2025 19:15

You've been told you're attractive by men and women from ALL demographics? You must be a real showstopper. And HIGHLY intelligent too. Incredible. Tell us more about what it's like to be you!

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:15

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 13/06/2025 19:09

What you mean by this is "when I look in the mirror, I see someone I consider attractive", right?

Maybe you're conventionally attractive, lucky you. This thread however, definitely suggests that the other thing you think, that you're attractive internally, is incorrect.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I have only responded negatively to negative responses. Also, the thread in itself is not my own opinion but merely a question. I think people should understand that.

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Holluschickie · 13/06/2025 19:17

MN has turned into some kind of horrid Love Island these days.

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:18

TheBig50 · 13/06/2025 19:12

You might want to proof read your opening post before making such bold claims.

Why? Why would I need to do that? I can type as lazily as I want. Feel free to judge me based on grammar and punctuation. Like said previously, you don’t get brownie points on a forum for punctuation.

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MoistVonL · 13/06/2025 19:18

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 17:41

This is the unaggressive kind of response I was interested in but I have ruffled a few feathers…

Because it’s a sexist and stupid question. Women’s worth, self-value and prospects are down to the choices she makes, the situation she’s in and society, not how nice her hair is.

Yes, pretty privilege exists. But as Helen Of Troy isn’t hanging about in Asda (Booth’s?) looking for a husband we’d all do better focusing on what brings us confidence and happiness over “am I pretty enough not to be of use?”

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:18

IndeedReally · 13/06/2025 19:15

You've been told you're attractive by men and women from ALL demographics? You must be a real showstopper. And HIGHLY intelligent too. Incredible. Tell us more about what it's like to be you!

It’s screaming jealousy, don’t be that woman. Enjoy your weekend x

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ByDreamyNavyDreamer · 13/06/2025 19:20

Being attractive can open some doors, but beauty fades — and relying on it alone can leave you vulnerable. A career gives a woman independence, self-worth, and long-term security. I’ve seen too many cases where men chase beauty, then leave for someone younger. With a career, you have your own power — you're not dependent on anyone else to live well or be respected.

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:21

ByDreamyNavyDreamer · 13/06/2025 19:20

Being attractive can open some doors, but beauty fades — and relying on it alone can leave you vulnerable. A career gives a woman independence, self-worth, and long-term security. I’ve seen too many cases where men chase beauty, then leave for someone younger. With a career, you have your own power — you're not dependent on anyone else to live well or be respected.

Thank you for your input. Another, interesting point of view.

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Thepeopleversuswork · 13/06/2025 19:21

@Coffeeloveer

Also, the thread in itself is not my own opinion but merely a question. I think people should understand that.

But the whole premise of your post assumes a binary choice for women between "looks" or "career" as if women fit neatly into one bucket or the other and pick a fork in the road. You go on to contradict this with your own susequent posts by saying you're highly career driven and very attractive: if this is true (and who am I to question this) then surely you must understand that its possible to be both attractive and successful?

If that's true you must be aware that many women are both attractive and successful, that many are neither, that some could be both but choose not to be because they are more interested in other things. Or that some (most) of us are somewhere on the spectrum on both metrics: neither drop dead beautiful nor obscenely wealthy but getting by the best they can? Oh, and that both beauty and success are wildly subjective and not something which can be ticked off a list.

So why on earth are you positing this silly, inflammatory question as if women have to choose one or the other?

Cherrytree86 · 13/06/2025 19:24

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:02

I’m only being honest. Would you prefer I lie for your benefit? Indeed, beauty is subjective. But attractiveness in general can be assessed on facial symmetry etc. My face is attractive. I know what I see in the mirror. I have also been told enough times from both men and women from all demographics, over the years.

@Coffeeloveer

there is a lot more to be attractive than being symmetrical.

id have to see a photo tbh

DontTouchRoach · 13/06/2025 19:25

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 17:08

I’ve found women working themselves into the ground for a career and not have much time for themselves and women who don’t work/ have their own little projects e.g. beauty business but look after themselves do well long term…

A business isn’t less of a business because it’s beauty-related. It’s still work.

TheIceBear · 13/06/2025 19:26

I often find that people who class themselves as “highly intelligent” are not.

pimplebum · 13/06/2025 19:27

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 17:23

Sorry I mean as in they can use their beauty to marry into money etc and wouldn’t necessary have to work… where as I’ve seen women working hard not have anytime to take care of themselves sorry if it comes off as sexist It was just something I’ve noticed..

Who the heck are you hanging around with ?
are you looking at tv/ celebrities and confusing it with real life ??

of course beautiful women can always marry rich and be throphy wives but it’s so precarious and last only as long as you keep a flat tum great blow jobs and you live with the fear that their secretary may come along at any time …. Lots of women think money is worth with living like this - not me

personally I’d chose real love and a rewarding career but I don’t judge how others navigate their lives

nameXname · 13/06/2025 19:28

@Coffeeloveer

Brava @Thepeopleversuswork
The OP's post poses a complete non question.
All it suggests to me is that either the OP is deeply insecure on the attractiveness or "success" front or otherwise rather nastily provocative.
The OP can do them, of course. The rest of us don't need to give a damn.

ZenGarden89 · 13/06/2025 19:28

I feel like I've time travelled into Mrs. Bennett's parlour. How preposterous.

DontTouchRoach · 13/06/2025 19:29

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 18:18

Actually I was questioning if attractive women can use it to their advantage to do as well as men

What an odd thing to say.

Unless you’re planning on being a model, a sex worker or a rich man’s subservient wife, you’re not going to make decent money out of being attractive.

Coffeeloveer · 13/06/2025 19:29

ZenGarden89 · 13/06/2025 19:28

I feel like I've time travelled into Mrs. Bennett's parlour. How preposterous.

Hahahaha oops you’ve got me.

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