Tommy Robinson asked to leave a restaurant because staff felt uncomfortable serving him…

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… AIBU to enjoy this?!

If you spout objectionable views, don’t be surprised if people object to you!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tommy-robinson-kicked-out-hawksmoor-london-b1231594.html

I wouldn't let him into my restaurant.

So the Christian couple who refused to make a cake for a gay couple to celebrate a gay marraige, they should have been forced to? Thankfully the law disagrees with you.

No private business should be forced to serve everyone.

If a private establishment doesn't want to serve a white nationalist that is their right.

Guramit Singh Kalirai formerly of the EDL, banged up for threatening to slash someone's throat during a robbery. Lovely chap.

It's not just his political views though is it? He was a football hooligan. He is a criminal, he sustained a racist campaign against a kid. He's fresh out of prison. Why would anyone want thier business associated with him?

"Everyone is jubilant now because they dislike him"

I am sure lots of people (some of whom are genuinely far right and genuinely racist) are furious, and his support will only grow. Trying to silence or take rights away from political opponents risks them gaining more influence

Can you evidence him being a white nationalist?

Apparently it was not being used appropriately by a few posters.

So just like the whole class being kept in at break to punish a few we can't have it anymore!!

@Jujujudofreedom of speech doesn’t equal freedom of consequences. So he can take a running fuck.

Thing is, litrle Tommy Ten Names and all his supporters will be only too happy to use this as further "proof" that he is being persecuted so on one level he will be loving this. Up to the resturant who they allow in, he is a known crimminal with a history of violence. If you own a business I understand that you can refuse to serve someone.

Was he behaving in a racist manner?

It is astonishing how few people regard freedom of belief, freedon of expression and freedom of speech as incredibly important.

How can a restaurant take away someone's rights?

There's none so bigoted as a liberal.

It's amazing how people bang on about freedom of speech/expression without understanding what the terms mean.

A private business =/= government.

Sounds like bigotry to me.

It would not surprise me if he sues and wins, dependent on the precise circumstances and precisely the reason given for refusing to serve him.

You are completely right right on your other point, though. This is great news for him and his supporters, and will only cause more and more people who believe in free speech and freedom of belief to turn against labour and the tories and vote reform instead. Note - I am not saying they will get more free speech and freedom of belief from reform

I bet he had the GoFundMe set up within femtoseconds of him being asked to leave.

No. It sets a dangerous president.

Would you feel the same if someone refused to serve a transwoman or gay person for example? Just because their views dont aligne?

Do you realise that service providers cannot simply discriminate based on belief (unless that belief is not protected)?

Well done to Hawksmoor. Well handled. Nice touch handing over the CEOs business card.

Do I care about this man and his ability to access good steak? No.
Do I think it's a good thing when establishments refuse to serve people because they disagree with their views? Also no.

As others have said, what about if they decided not to serve JK Rowling, or Stephen Fry or insert any name you want because they were uncomfortable with their views. If you are that uncomfortable, take yourself out of the situation, don't expect to be able to exclude other people, to ensure you don't have to interact with people you don't agree with.

America has a dangerous president.
The word you're looking for is precedent.

Tell me you don't tell me you support Tommeeee whilst not telling me. Caring about his feckin steak is not the hill I would care to die on. YMMV

No, absolutely wrong.
Staff should keep their opinions to themselves, as long as they aren’t being abused by patrons or having to listen to Terrorist sympathisers, they should do the bloody job they are paid to do.
It’s a slippery slope to Fascism - one day someone won’t like YOUR opinion, or is it ok just as long as it’s someone you don’t agree with?
Free speech should be just that.

I’m generally uninterested in Tommy Robinson so wasn’t sure what charges he was up on this time. Just had a quick look and it seems he’s up on charges of harassing journalists. The journalists had taken pictures of him and his family while they were on holiday and published them effectively doxxing his children and making their location known. This was at the time of the Southport riots (which he was accused of inciting but it’s subsequently been investigated and he didn’t. Apparently). Robinson’s family have been the subject of threats which is well known. He found out who and where the journalists were and contacted them to ask if it would be ok for him to ask them questions when they were with their families. In the interview I just watched he says they could have easily published the same article without including pictures of his children or publishing where they were which seems totally reasonable. This seems to be the source of the charges.

I automatically think Robinson is an odious racist, but I’m starting to question what that’s based on. I watched the film he did that got him a custodial sentence and there didn’t seem to be anything in it that was racist. Bit tabloidy, but nothing awful. It will be interesting to know the outcome of this current trial. Interestingly, the video I watched which was filmed prior to his current initial court appearance and in it he says he thinks he gets a gagging order until the case is heard at some point in 2027. He has received a gagging order and is not about to publish etc details of the case.

(The reason I watched the video was everyone was saying how racist he is so I decided to “educate myself”)

I would have no problem with refusing to serve a man who claims that women and lesbians do not have rights separate to his. Partly because I think the idea that the idea that men should have access to woemn's spaces is absolutely abhorrent to the point of evil, and partly because I think I would get away with it because the TW idea that women and lesbains should not have rights cannot possibly be WORIADS