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FruitFeatures · 06/06/2025 17:41

Missed opportunity to serve him a steak that’s been rubbed round the toilet bowl.

IdiottoGoa · 06/06/2025 17:42

Fuck around find out in my opinion.

If you behave like an objectional cunt, don’t be surprised if people object to you.

QurikySparrowHatrack · 06/06/2025 17:42

How is freedom of speech relevant, here? Is it a government-owned restaurant?

@JamieCannister

FruityCider · 06/06/2025 17:44

Why should staff who presumably come from a variety of backgrounds be forced to serve a racist twat? Being a racist twat isn't protected, so he can jog on. If he doesn't like being kicked out of places because he is a high profile racist twat, then he ought to go and fuck off, until people forget who he is, then he'll be served no problem.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 17:44

Ponoka7 · 06/06/2025 17:32

But do we live on a country were that happens? I despise SYL but, it could have easily have been JK Rowling based on how trans people are treated globally.
If what he has said is within the law, then he shouldn't be denied service.

If what Yaxley Lennon has done had been within the law then he wouldn't have a criminal history as long as your arm. This includes multiple convictions for assault plus convictions for fraud, stalking, and attempting to use someone else's passport, possession of drugs with intent to supply, plus innumerable public order offences.

He's a career criminal and violent thug who seems to think that the law shouldn't apply to him.

IveGotAnUnusuallyLargePelvisISwear · 06/06/2025 17:44

user101101 · 06/06/2025 16:53

Did he harass someone in the restaurant? Why was he thrown out? If it’s just due to his views then I think this is wrong. What if everyone decided to not serve Christians or something

Being a racist bully with a string of convictions including at least one for violence, is not the same as being a Christian. Or any other religion. At all. To compare the 2 is insulting and disingenuous.

OP, YANBU. And I would probably feel the same as the staff- despite him apparently being a titch I can’t imagine he has a very aggressive energy about him and those he associates with. I wouldn’t want to deal with him and his friends or family.

Imbusytodaysorry · 06/06/2025 17:44

user101101 · 06/06/2025 16:53

Did he harass someone in the restaurant? Why was he thrown out? If it’s just due to his views then I think this is wrong. What if everyone decided to not serve Christians or something

Exactly .

TattiePants · 06/06/2025 17:44

MrsMitford3 · 06/06/2025 17:17

I am donning my tin hat here.
I am not a fan of his politics at all but where do we draw the line?
Who decides?
It makes me very uncomfortable.
Is it ok for restaurants to refuse women wearing "Adult human female" shirts?
Or ppl with different coloured skin?
Different religious beliefs?
Ppl with keffiyehs on?
Gay people?
Ppl in burkas?
A women only event?

I assume everyone will come on to say it's not the same but I feel like the pitchforks will be next.

Everyone is jubilant now because they dislike him but next time what if it someone you like/agree with politically that is publicly being thrown out?

I think the ability to disagree and respect others opinions is lost and imho that is not a good thing for society.

The vast majority of the things you list here are protected characteristics so no, someone shouldn't be refused service because they are gay or a woman or follow a religion. Being a huge racist is not a protected characteristic.

Womblingmerrily · 06/06/2025 17:45

So, can a nurse or doctor refuse to treat someone?

Who can they refuse to treat or is it part of their job to treat without prejudice.

I don't think we get to choose which clients/patients/customers that we carry out our job duties fo

lifeonmars100 · 06/06/2025 17:46

Dweetfidilove · 06/06/2025 17:07

Ignorance is bliss, they say 🤷🏾‍♀️

Mr Yaxley Lennon or whatever he calls himself must be an almost permanent state of ecstasy then

sualipa · 06/06/2025 17:47

PickAChew · 06/06/2025 17:03

And, based on that info, can he even afford to eat there?

They should have let him stay whilst the kitchen staff took turns to gob into his dinner.

Tauranga · 06/06/2025 17:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 17:24

He's a far right activist and they obviously didn't feel comfortable serving him. Perhaps some of them were from ethnic minorites or had differing principles. I wouldn't serve the prick either.

FYI a PP pointed out that one of his friends is Indian and was eating with him in this group.

BeachPebbleWave · 06/06/2025 17:48

GingerBeverage · 06/06/2025 17:38

OK but Nelson Mandela went to prison.

Many decades ago and not under UK law

Womblingmerrily · 06/06/2025 17:48

If we're talking non professional can the Mcdonalds staff decide they don't like the look of me today and refuse to serve me?

I know technically pubs can refuse service to anyone, as can any private business (so yes, public servants have different criteria) but how would you feel if someone refused you entry/to serve you because you 'didn't fit their clientelle' or similar?

FruityCider · 06/06/2025 17:48

Womblingmerrily · 06/06/2025 17:45

So, can a nurse or doctor refuse to treat someone?

Who can they refuse to treat or is it part of their job to treat without prejudice.

I don't think we get to choose which clients/patients/customers that we carry out our job duties fo

It's steak, not a heart operation, and he's not entitled to it. And yes, if a patient is behaving in a racist manner then doctors can refuse to treat them, unless it is a medical emergency.

neverbeenskiing · 06/06/2025 17:48

Lanzarotelady · 06/06/2025 17:35

But the staff there don't own the business do they, they will be employees.

I bet half of them didn't even know who he was until they were informed and then they became offended.

Here's the thing, you are employed to do a job, if that job offends you, or puts you into meltdown, or triggers you, then maybe waiting on isn't the job for you!

They didn't say they were offended though did they? The manager told them staff "didn't feel comfortable". Maybe they actually felt unsafe having a known violent criminal, with openly racist views in their establishment? Maybe there were staff on duty who are immigrants or people of colour and were worried that they may be targets for aggressive behaviour from TR or that more of his far-right thug mates might turn up to join them? Maybe the Restaurant Manager, even if they aren't the business owner, felt duty-bound to protect their staff and patrons by asking someone to leave who is well known for encouraging violent disorder?

I think people's right to feel safe at work is more important than TR's 'right' to eat a steak and chips where he pleases.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 17:49

Religious beliefs are a protected characteristic. Being a violent criminal isn't.

MonTuesWeds · 06/06/2025 17:50

neverbeenskiing · 06/06/2025 17:32

If you own the business then yes, you can choose your customers as you wish.

You kinda can't, and shouldn't

Gloriia · 06/06/2025 17:50

MrsMitford3 · 06/06/2025 17:17

I am donning my tin hat here.
I am not a fan of his politics at all but where do we draw the line?
Who decides?
It makes me very uncomfortable.
Is it ok for restaurants to refuse women wearing "Adult human female" shirts?
Or ppl with different coloured skin?
Different religious beliefs?
Ppl with keffiyehs on?
Gay people?
Ppl in burkas?
A women only event?

I assume everyone will come on to say it's not the same but I feel like the pitchforks will be next.

Everyone is jubilant now because they dislike him but next time what if it someone you like/agree with politically that is publicly being thrown out?

I think the ability to disagree and respect others opinions is lost and imho that is not a good thing for society.

This. Just serve people food as you are paid to do, not up to waiters and bar staff to dictate who they serve.
What next, Costa staff chuck out terfs? No. Just do your job.

lifeonmars100 · 06/06/2025 17:50

MrsMitford3 · 06/06/2025 17:33

this is why I wish we still had the laughing emoji 😂

I miss it, why has it been banished?

inkognitha · 06/06/2025 17:51

You cannot make a rule saying it’s ok to cancel TR, and think it will never apply to anything or anyone else.

As soon as it is acceptable for antiracists to cancel TR this way, it will be acceptable for other groups to do the same against their own target, eg trans and GC.

So, no, it’s not ok. It’s anti democratic and, even more crucially, vacuously performative anyway.

sualipa · 06/06/2025 17:51

neverbeenskiing · 06/06/2025 17:48

They didn't say they were offended though did they? The manager told them staff "didn't feel comfortable". Maybe they actually felt unsafe having a known violent criminal, with openly racist views in their establishment? Maybe there were staff on duty who are immigrants or people of colour and were worried that they may be targets for aggressive behaviour from TR or that more of his far-right thug mates might turn up to join them? Maybe the Restaurant Manager, even if they aren't the business owner, felt duty-bound to protect their staff and patrons by asking someone to leave who is well known for encouraging violent disorder?

I think people's right to feel safe at work is more important than TR's 'right' to eat a steak and chips where he pleases.

Off grifted money his 'fans' have sent him to pay for his coke and designer gear lifestyle.

Blinky21 · 06/06/2025 17:51

Really well dealt with by the restaurant putting their staff first. I once saw Nick Griffin hounded out of a restaurant by the customers

QurikySparrowHatrack · 06/06/2025 17:51

Womblingmerrily · 06/06/2025 17:45

So, can a nurse or doctor refuse to treat someone?

Who can they refuse to treat or is it part of their job to treat without prejudice.

I don't think we get to choose which clients/patients/customers that we carry out our job duties fo

So, can a nurse or doctor refuse to treat someone?
Based on political views? No. NHS ones are government employed (so freedom of speech applies). Private ones are still regulated by the GMC, who prohibit discrimination on political views.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 17:52

He was refused service in a private restaurant, not banished to Elba. Give the "Our Tommeh's been CANCELLED!!?!!" bollocks a rest.

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