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User135644 · 06/06/2025 18:04

They need to employ more professional staff then.

Snickers94 · 06/06/2025 18:04

I voted YABU before reading the post! No, you are absolutely not being unreasonable, I wouldn’t want to serve a racist either!

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 06/06/2025 18:05

I don't understand the comparisons with protected characteristics/free speech. He is a criminal, racist, bigoted, dangerous cunt. If the slippery slope is that it leads to more criminal racist bigoted dangerous cunts being evicted from restaurants then I am all for it.

Lolapusht · 06/06/2025 18:06

MrsMitford3 · 06/06/2025 17:55

Apparently it was not being used appropriately by a few posters.

So just like the whole class being kept in at break to punish a few we can't have it anymore!!

Didn’t even notice my typo 🤦🏻‍♀️

Does that mean that someone complained they were being laughed at?!

How would they know it was done on purpose???

neverbeenskiing · 06/06/2025 18:06

BilliBean · 06/06/2025 18:01

No. It sets a dangerous president.

Would you feel the same if someone refused to serve a transwoman or gay person for example? Just because their views dont aligne?

Being gay isn't a "view". Also this has been asked and answered many, many times upthread. Being a violent, racist criminal is not a protected characteristic so he is not entitled to freedom from being discriminated against for being a violent, racist criminal under UK law.

sualipa · 06/06/2025 18:06

User135644 · 06/06/2025 18:04

They need to employ more professional staff then.

Tomeees £150 billion Brexit put paid to that - they'll take whoever they can and look after them.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 18:06

BilliBean · 06/06/2025 18:01

No. It sets a dangerous president.

Would you feel the same if someone refused to serve a transwoman or gay person for example? Just because their views dont aligne?

You are confusing someone with a protected characteristic such as their sexual orientation, with someone who's a violent thug with a criminal history longer than a donkey's dick. The Equality Act doesn't consider being a violent grifter who relies on his easily befuddled followers to finance his coke habit to be a protected characteristic.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 06/06/2025 18:06

TopographicalTime · 06/06/2025 16:57

Is it legal to refuse service because you don't like someone's political views?

Yes.

Political views aren't listed in the Equality Act as a protected characteristic.

JamieCannister · 06/06/2025 18:07

Lolapusht · 06/06/2025 18:02

I’m generally uninterested in Tommy Robinson so wasn’t sure what charges he was up on this time. Just had a quick look and it seems he’s up on charges of harassing journalists. The journalists had taken pictures of him and his family while they were on holiday and published them effectively doxxing his children and making their location known. This was at the time of the Southport riots (which he was accused of inciting but it’s subsequently been investigated and he didn’t. Apparently). Robinson’s family have been the subject of threats which is well known. He found out who and where the journalists were and contacted them to ask if it would be ok for him to ask them questions when they were with their families. In the interview I just watched he says they could have easily published the same article without including pictures of his children or publishing where they were which seems totally reasonable. This seems to be the source of the charges.

I automatically think Robinson is an odious racist, but I’m starting to question what that’s based on. I watched the film he did that got him a custodial sentence and there didn’t seem to be anything in it that was racist. Bit tabloidy, but nothing awful. It will be interesting to know the outcome of this current trial. Interestingly, the video I watched which was filmed prior to his current initial court appearance and in it he says he thinks he gets a gagging order until the case is heard at some point in 2027. He has received a gagging order and is not about to publish etc details of the case.

(The reason I watched the video was everyone was saying how racist he is so I decided to “educate myself”)

Years ago he made a mainstream TV documentary where he spent time with muslims learning about islam and their culture. I did not get the impression he was racist from that.

On a similar note with all these recent "hard right" "racist" protests. There is a Nigerian youtuber, relatively recent immigrant to the UK... he turned up at these protests to film, and "racist" after "racist" there at the protests shouted his name, called him over, told him how much they loved his channel and posed for selfies with him. I wish I could remember the youtuber. Concern about immigration and islamification is not automatically racist.

JamieCannister · 06/06/2025 18:07

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 06/06/2025 18:06

Yes.

Political views aren't listed in the Equality Act as a protected characteristic.

If you think that you can refuse to serve someone because they voted Tory I would love to see you ion court!

CunningLinguist1 · 06/06/2025 18:08

user101101 · 06/06/2025 16:53

Did he harass someone in the restaurant? Why was he thrown out? If it’s just due to his views then I think this is wrong. What if everyone decided to not serve Christians or something

It's a restaurant's right to refuse service. And protect their staff.
I applaud refusing to serve racists - they're not a protected category, but just vile. FAFO!

witwatwoo · 06/06/2025 18:08

I wouldn’t have served Tommy 10 names either

CurlewKate · 06/06/2025 18:08

PickAChew · 06/06/2025 17:03

And, based on that info, can he even afford to eat there?

He is funded by a lot of very unsavory people. You don’t think he does this stuff for free, do you??

CunningLinguist1 · 06/06/2025 18:09

JamieCannister · 06/06/2025 18:07

If you think that you can refuse to serve someone because they voted Tory I would love to see you ion court!

Restaurants can refuse to serve anyone they want - as long as it's not against the Equality Act. So yup, they could if they so wished refuse to serve someone who voted Tory, if that's their sole reason for refusal.

desperatedaysareover · 06/06/2025 18:09

Tommy Robinson must be pretty sanguine, espousing the views he does, and still willing to eat food someone else has made. I’d be fully expecting some extra protein in my peppercorn sauce.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 06/06/2025 18:10

A private business can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except for what are called protected characteristics.

I could refuse service to someone because I didn't like their shoes if I wanted to.

witwatwoo · 06/06/2025 18:10

He’s one of the founders of the EDL, lives in Spain and has an Irish passport

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 18:12

witwatwoo · 06/06/2025 18:10

He’s one of the founders of the EDL, lives in Spain and has an Irish passport

He's got multiple passports, including one under yet another name that he used to try to sneak into the US to get around their long-standing ban of people with criminal records.

sualipa · 06/06/2025 18:13

desperatedaysareover · 06/06/2025 18:09

Tommy Robinson must be pretty sanguine, espousing the views he does, and still willing to eat food someone else has made. I’d be fully expecting some extra protein in my peppercorn sauce.

And some that like rabbit food has passed once through the passage of time as it were. Also Boris - I would only eat microwaved meals opened and cooked in front of me. Most of the staff have been affacted by Brexit no fault of them.

In the kitchen the dirt was worse. It is not a figure of speech, it is a mere statement of fact to say that a French cook will spit in the soup—that is, if he is not going to drink it himself. He is an artist, but his art is not cleanliness. To a certain extent he is even dirty because he is an artist, for food, to look smart, needs dirty treatment. When a steak, for instance, is brought up for the head cook’s inspection, he does not handle it with a fork. He picks it up in his fingers and slaps it down, runs his thumb round the dish and licks it to taste the gravy, runs it round and licks again, then steps back and contemplates the piece of meat like an artist judging a picture, then presses it lovingly into place with his fat, pink fingers, every one of which he has licked a hundred times that morning. When he is satisfied, he takes a cloth and wipes his fingerprints from the dish, and hands it to the waiter. And the waiter, of course, dips his fingers into the gravy—his nasty, greasy fingers which he is for ever running through his brilliantined hair. Whenever one pays more than, say, ten francs for a dish of meat in Paris, one may be certain that it has been fingered in this manner. In very cheap restaurants it is different; there, the same trouble is not taken over the food, and it is just forked out of the pan and flung on to a plate, without handling. Roughly speaking, the more one pays for food, the more sweat and spittle one is obliged to eat with it.

https://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/prose/DownandOut/downandout_14.html

Chapter 14 - Down and Out in Paris and London - George Orwell, Book, etext

https://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/prose/DownandOut/downandout_14.html

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 18:14

JamieCannister · 06/06/2025 18:07

If you think that you can refuse to serve someone because they voted Tory I would love to see you ion court!

You can be barred entrance to a restaurant because they don't like your shoes. As long as you're not being barred because of a protected characteristic they're allowed to choose who they wish to do business with.

CunningLinguist1 · 06/06/2025 18:15

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 06/06/2025 18:10

A private business can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except for what are called protected characteristics.

I could refuse service to someone because I didn't like their shoes if I wanted to.

...provided you apply your reason for refusal universally (IIRC - so any and all Tommy Robinson racist knobheads or no Tommy Robinson racist knobheads etc.) -- and always provided (as stated) that no protected characteristics are in play.

sualipa · 06/06/2025 18:15

That's Reforms' PMQs sorted for the enxt few weeks - he should have worn a burqha that would have sorted it.

SwedishEdith · 06/06/2025 18:15

I've been in a restaurant where someone was asked to leave because he was racist. Honestly, life is much easier for people if they just stop being racist.

ImWearingPantaloons · 06/06/2025 18:16

Restaurants can refuse service to whoever they want.

And freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

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