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Children drowning on holiday.

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Nextdoormat · 06/06/2025 10:22

Another week where in the news a poor toddler (2) has drowned on holiday. Devastating for parents. I am not casting blame or being goady, but how can we make it clearer that someone needs to watch a child 100% of the time if near water.
As a single parent I did take my kids on holiday where there were pools but they always had arm bands on when they couldn't swim properly and I never took my eyes off them, so no reading a book, snoozing, chatting and being distracted.
Perhaps it was easier when I had sole responsibility. Once my DS2 at the time aged 4 was just walking by the pool and another kid just pushed him in at the deep end. I jumped in fully clothed with sunglasses on and pulled him out, if I wasn't watching I could have been that parent grieving.
My heart goes out to the parents, what was supposed to be a holiday making memories turned on it's head.

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Katiesaidthat · 06/06/2025 15:20

MojoMoon · 06/06/2025 11:51

No one can possibly watch their child for every second. Let alone more than one child. So there may be parents who are highly engaged and curious and just deeply deeply unlucky.

That said, I do think many people including parents do not give enough thought to water safety.

Most children who drown are within 20ft of an adult. It's not toddlers sneaking off on their own that is the highest risk but the kids in the pool with adults or with adults just nearby.

Drowning is silent. There is no screaming and waving. Films are very misleading about it.
Children will look like they are climbing a ladder as they drown as they will be vertical and frantically using arms and legs to try and climb (which is why you need to try and teach them "float to live").
Their mouth will bob just under the water, they inhale some but manage to get themselves up through their frantic ladder climbing, it happens again and then again and then they've inhaled too much and drown.
It can look a lot like they are just doggy paddling. But always look - is there mouth going under? Have they gone vertical, rather than horizontal?
If so, grab them immediately.

No screaming. You can't scream if you are actually drowning.

I grabbed a boy at a busy beach who frantically ladder climbing, just as the lifeguard also noticed and leapt in to get to him - the lifeguard then told me off for not keeping a close eye on him (once he was safely out of the water!) and I explained I didn't know him. His dad had not only missed his son drowning but missed the lifeguard running and diving in, his son being taken out and wrapped in blankets and checked on the beach...

But he was lucky and the boy was fine, if a bit shocked.

He had another child and thought the boy was a much better swimmer than he was.

Much better parents might still be much unluckier.
Reducing the probability of it happening is important of course but using any individual case to cast aspersions on that family when we have no idea what happened is not fair.

This happened to me. When I was around 4. I had my cork floating device around my waist. I breathed in and it got undone. I went from horizontal to vertical and all I can remember was my only my lips above the water. And I started to sink. Couldn´t scream. A young teen was a couple metres away from me grabbed me by my arm and pulled me up as my mum was running towards us. She never read or drank anything or got engaged in coversation, but sat on the grass facing us, so that delayed her. I sit on the edge of the pool with my feet in when DD is swimming and I am not, precisely because of this.

I had an incident with my daughter when she was 4 too. We showered to get the sand off and she was right behind me and I was still talking to her when I was rinsing the bucket and spade, I asked something, she didn´t answer so I looked back and she had jumped into the pool and forgot to put her floating device on. Luckily she had been to enough swimming lessons to have enough wits about to her to quickly float/doggy style swim to the edge and hang on. My heart went into my mouth. OP this can happen to the most careful parent in the world, it is silent and quick.
Just to add: I now have a rule with DD, she´s 6. Before she ever gets into the pool she has to make sure I am looking straight at her and give her a nod. She always does.

Unpaidviewer · 06/06/2025 15:24

Lolabear38 · 06/06/2025 15:00

What they have faced isn’t a conversation though. And neither is a lot of this thread. The Kiser family have faced unbelievable judgement, criticism and wild accusations in what is arguably one of the most horrendous times of their lives. This thread isn’t a conversation, people are using it as an opportunity to preach about their superior parenting when in fact it’s thinly veiled judgement and blame.

I’m all for a conversation, this is judgement.

No, most of the posters have been sharing their near misses, experiences and knowledge. I've never seen someone drown, I wasn't aware until I read this thread that it was silent.

Ramblethroughthebrambles · 06/06/2025 15:31

I honestly think it's an illusion that increased personal responsibility on the part of parents can solve the problem. Human beings are not good at weighing risks, even when they know the facts. We often take our cue about risk from what others do, and we are especially poor at weighing risks if we have competing concerns. Look at all the stories about avoidable tragedies and near misses on this thread. Yes individuals can sometimes do better and might be influenced by new information (eg silent drowning) but I think the answer has to be a mandated cultural shift in what is ok. That's how we've reduced drink driving over the past few decades.

How about legislation to mandate things like - fenced private pools, fencing between deep and shallow sections of public pools, life guards required for pools of a certain size, no alcohol by children's pools, commercial pool settings required to implement a system for tracking the responsible adult for each child, no children allowed in hotel rooms leading directly to a pool, public info films about silent drowning... I'm sure there are other things that could be done too. Hotels wouldn't all implement this without legislation as they'd worry about losing custom.

I know that means a nanny state, but sometimes we need one!

HoratioBellsOn · 06/06/2025 15:31

stealthbanana · 06/06/2025 11:56

This made my blood run cold - I find pool holidays SO stressful with young children (WHY does Europe not have laws about requiring pools to be properly fenced?). Those poor parents.

just to the PP who said 2 is too young to be learning about water safety - it absolutely isn’t. My kids both understood float to survive and monkey monkey on the side of the pool by 2, and I worked incredibly hard to get them to be able to swim a (domestic pool) length with safety crawl by the time they were 3. It takes time and money and effort but I think it’s well spent.

France has very strict laws relating to pool safety. Fences, alarms, reinforced covers etc.

RedhairDL · 06/06/2025 15:32

Dwimmer · 06/06/2025 15:16

RedhairDL you have reminded me of a trip to Alnwick Castle Gardens when DC was two and slipped off when we glanced away. There is a whole cascade of ponds there - I was terrified for those five loooong minutes it took to find him.

Though there is an additional danger with water at Disney world Florida:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40855910

Yes, indeed. I remember hearing about little Lane Graves his name was. The poor thing.
I’d paddled in the Seven Seas Lagoon, on the Grand Floridian beach myself plenty of times previously. I always told myself that alligators are there, but they remove anything big enough to harm a human. I can’t imagine the horror his parents went through.

Fortunately when DS got lost, we were actually inside the Magic Kingdom, in the Tomorrowland area…but there are still plenty of areas of water in that park.

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 15:34

What about people who grow up next to the sea, lakes and rivers, they can't be fenced off

fffiona · 06/06/2025 15:35

I remember when DD was about three, we were walking along the beach and she was walking through pools in the sand. One was a bit deeper than she thought (although still well below her waist) and she fell. I was standing right by her, but what shocked me was she made no effort to stand up - just lay under the water until I waded in and pulled her out. I still don't know what had happened if I hadn't got to her in seconds, but I always think of this when I see the adverts for "drowning doesn't look like drowning" as she made no effort to struggle or help herself.

Ponderingwindow · 06/06/2025 15:39

Our local pool requires an adult in arms reach of children under 8. People grumble about how it is unfair to people with more children than parents, but it’s really the necessary level of supervision in the water.

im always shocked when I go on holiday and see adults lounging on chairs while their young children are in the water. We always shadowed dd. Pool or beach holidays aren’t supposed
to be relaxing when you have young children. If you aren’t exhausted by the end of the day, you are doing it wrong

Miyagi99 · 06/06/2025 15:39

IwasDueANameChange · 06/06/2025 10:46

My kids have never been in a pool/the sea without an adult in it with them.

Im just now starting to allow eldest (nearly 9) to be in the water with me watching from the side. He's in stage 7, has done 800m badge and swimming in clothes etc. Ive still got eyes on him the whole time.

They don’t have adults in the pool at any swimming lessons I know of (not taking about toddlers obviously).

glittereyelash · 06/06/2025 15:42

It's very frightening how fast things can happen. I'm just back from hols and there were two pool related incidents with children. One child needed hospital treatment. On our last day a young girl (6/7) was trying to bring her little brother (2 at most) into the big pool. Both had swim vests on so obviously little girl couldnt swim herself. The lifeguard stopped her and told her she would need a parent present in the pool. Two irate parents appeared saying they didn't feel like swimming and would watch from the sunbeds. Lifeguard was having none of it and told them you can't expect a child to be responsible for a small baby. The parents were going mad saying their holiday was ruined.

Ponderingwindow · 06/06/2025 15:43

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 15:34

What about people who grow up next to the sea, lakes and rivers, they can't be fenced off

My parents moved to a house on a lake house once I became an adult. When we would visit when dd was young, children were in life jackets whenever we went outside. An adult always stood between the children and the water like a lifeguard. It was a giant pain.

when we were looking for our current house, one with a large pond was an option. We still walk by it from our current home, but there was no chance we were going to live there.

coxesorangepippin · 06/06/2025 15:46

Completely agreed

People on holiday are in holiday vibe mode. It's as if it's pre kids. It's not.

So they think they can relax and chill. You can't with a toddler. It is literally 24/7.

My heart goes out to those poor parents but 100%, more awareness raising is needed

coxesorangepippin · 06/06/2025 15:49

Completely agree with you, pondering. It's a huge pain and not worth living near a lake/pond/ swimming pool with small kids.

We live abroad and a lot of people have pools.

We don't, because:

When the kids were young it would have been constant surveillance, and telling them not to go in, but they would anyway, and

If you have a pool you're a lifeguard, which includes lifeguarding for any of their friends coming over. You are 100% responsible, all the time.

PabloTheGreat · 06/06/2025 15:49

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 15:34

What about people who grow up next to the sea, lakes and rivers, they can't be fenced off

We grew up beside the sea, our extended family in the fishing trade and all of them have a healthy respect for what the sea is capable of and will never take chances. Generally my cousins and us would be far more helicopter parents than the norm because we hear the local tragedies and know the sea.

So we had rules as kids. Non negotiable ones, and dad taught us to swim as soon as we were toddlers, and we learned basic water safety like floating. We never went down the shore without an approved older sibling or adult in with us. Not obeying an instruction meant we all went home immediately. So we behaved to stay at the beach longer!

On holidays our rule is the buddy system. Dad or I get in the water with DS and never stray further than grabbing distance. DS had all the swimming lessons in all the levels but we all do a little refresher before we go on holiday.

In September we plan to enrol him into club swimming and junior lifeguard, mainly to hammer home water safety.

SENNeeds2 · 06/06/2025 15:50

What we do is what australia does - cheap swimming lessons for kids from the time they are babies. They are taught if they fall in water how to paddle to the side and go hand over hand on the edge until they reach a place they can get out. Small children who have lessons get out of the pool after a lesson this way every single time. Also taught to float on their backs if in danger. They are also given the experience of what it feels like to suddenly be underwater so its not a shock for them and what to do when this happens. remember my six month old twins being taught this when we went on holiday there and they had a couple of lessons.

spoonbillstretford · 06/06/2025 15:50

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 15:34

What about people who grow up next to the sea, lakes and rivers, they can't be fenced off

DD1 actually fell into the river when she was about six but swum herself out before I had to jump in. It was a spot where we swim, but not in our clothes in April.

Dwimmer · 06/06/2025 15:51

fffiona · 06/06/2025 15:35

I remember when DD was about three, we were walking along the beach and she was walking through pools in the sand. One was a bit deeper than she thought (although still well below her waist) and she fell. I was standing right by her, but what shocked me was she made no effort to stand up - just lay under the water until I waded in and pulled her out. I still don't know what had happened if I hadn't got to her in seconds, but I always think of this when I see the adverts for "drowning doesn't look like drowning" as she made no effort to struggle or help herself.

I think people quite often don’t think to try and stand up. We regularly take our children to a large boating pond where you can hire boats. It is naturalistic has various islands so people might not realise it is not just a lake and is only 2 foot deep. They have big signs up saying ‘if you fall in, stand up’ because people will panic and not realise how shallow it is. (children get life vests, and adults too if they want them).

Whatnodule · 06/06/2025 15:53

I almost drowned as a child in our pool in our garden (abroad). It was a case of that all the adults (4) in the house thought someone else was watching me.
I only survived because I was able to use my tricycle that was slowly sinking to pull myself up to reach the edge of the pool. It was in the deep end and I had not yet learnt to swim without armbands etc.

buttercupcake · 06/06/2025 15:56

A lot of drownings happen during non swim times. Everyone knows to be vigilant when children are swimming, but it’s often the case that a child will find their way to water without you knowing.

That’s why there needs to be layers of protection. If you have a pool you need to have alarms on your outside doors, a self closing pool fence, a pool net, don’t leave toys in the pool when you’re finished etc.

It’s also about being vigilant when you’re out of your environment. On holiday, at a villa, at a pool party at a friends.

Runningmummm · 06/06/2025 15:57

JessicaDing · 06/06/2025 13:11

Water should really be considered such a hazard for anyone under fives. Baths, buckets, fish ponds, lakes near playgrounds. A swimming pool is such a thing that needs to be taken seriously, I suspect on holidays if someone has one in their villa or airbnb backyard they might just not be used to it and don't think about how easily a child could just slip out side and wander over. Even for home-owners, the anxiety I would have around one, even fully fenced until they're at least 7 would be intense.

Ages 5-10 is hard, because they can seem so confident, but they also can panic easily, tire out easily, make questionable choices and all the sorts. It's just such an awful risk. But also, one needs to learn how to swim and I really do question the over use of floaties, paddlejumpers and even lifejackets if it is holding back the increased skill of swimming. I think the problem is how one defines "swimming" is hard.
A news stories might say "a child drowned while swimming in the sea", but the details might be they were wading up to their knees then a rouge wave hit them, and washed them out. Well, I'd hardly say they were swimming before that. So circumstance and context is so important.

Also the main issue of drowning being so damn silent. No screaming or flailing, be it so simple. Or the assumption that a hotel pool has a lifeguard, and that lifeguards themselves are babysitters (I don't like that mindset).

I am more forgiving than most on news stories when a children is 10+ drowns, I don't like jumping to the "where are the parents??" style comments one often sees as a first gut reaction. Anyone who really thinks about preteen and teenage behaviour knows that very easily they could go to a lake, river or friend's pool without a parent really being in the loop on such a thing. And while it's easy to be a perfect parent online, real life is much harder. If you have a child who is 11 or 12, who is a perfectly fantastic swimmer and has never shown a sense of fault in their life. Then while letting them going to swim in a backyard pool or hotel pool without supervision while might at be to many ill-advised on paper, we need to be real here and admit it's more normal than people might like to admit (and many would never admit letting it happen). Pretending it isn't helpful.

I'm not endorsing it, but just how a child walking to school can be kidnapped, or a horse rider can fall off and snap their neck, things can happen in any scenario and compassion is always required. I don't like the victim blaming of parents who let their kids walk to school acting as if they did something wrong, same with an preteen or teenager in a pool. Reality often doesn't align with perfect, and we must still show compassion when something goes wrong, not just instantly blame and say it was inevitable, when perhaps they swam 99 times before without an issue and it wasn't really fair to call it inevitable. Often when you look into these stories when it comes to pools it really come down to one of three scenarios.

  1. The child frankly couldn't swim and lacked ability.
  2. A shallow water blackout, a terrible thing that affects sadly strong swimmers.
  3. A medical episode, such as a seizure.
  4. A total freak accident, ala hair getting caught in a pool drain or the like.

Education is key, ensuring children themselves understand specific hazards is key. Saying to a preteen "you might drown" is pointless, better to teach of hyper specific hazards, such as the dangers of breath holding and shallow water blackout, currents, rip-tides, cold water shock, spinal injuries etc. Not to scare them, but to make them understand all the things that can go wrong, to respect the water and its power.
The other uncomfortable one was that someone else could drag them under if they begin to panic, or even if the child was acting the hero (as is a normal gut react, to help). Drowning doesn't just happen, there's always a reason. A healthy preteen who is a good swimmer won't just randomly drown in a pool out of nowhere, there's always a reason for it.
And for many, that reason is enough to always watch them, but I can perfectly understand those more loose as well and I honestly cannot judge them, at the end of the day, these can be truly freak accidents.

For my part, I simply followed the pool rules at the location. If it said nobody under 12 without a parent, then that was that, no matter if I thought my son was fine at 11, I allowed the sign be my backup there. Mercifully I didn't come across many pools that said 10.
Although my irrational fear was more an adult of ill-intention targeting him because he liked to wear speedos. My son wanted to wear speedos swimming, I let him. It's his choice and that's fantastic, I'd never wish to victim blame him no more than a girl in a bikini. A child child should be allowed to express. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more willing to go with him at a hotel pool, not because I thought he'd drown, but because a fear someone might see him alone and chat him up. But then I could never judge another who didn't have these fears and wasn't thinking down those lines.

Bottom line is, for older children who drown in pools. Have compassion to them and their parents.

Your post was so sensible till it got to chatting up a child in speedos Confused

Notyomama · 06/06/2025 16:12

It surprises me when people say 'you can't watch your child every minute.' Yes you can, especially around water. When my kids were little, my absolute non-negotiable was that an adult had to have a hand on each child at all times. Not just watching them, physically touching them. If one adult had to get out of the pool, the child had to get out too and go with them. At no point would I ever be responsible for both children. My DS is now nearly 6 foot and a strong swimmer so he can go on his own, but my DD (12) is a rubbish swimmer so I never let her in the water on her own. I don't hold onto her but I don't let her go more than a few feet away and I'm aware of her at all times.

My mother nearly drowned as an adult. She was a strong swimmer, but someone accidentally hit her in the head and she got dizzy and went under. Luckily she got back up, but had she been more woozy, it would have only taken a couple of minutes for her to die.

Water is incredibly dangerous. I am super paranoid around it and treat it as a constant threat. I love the sea, I love swimming, but I never take it for granted.

Notyomama · 06/06/2025 16:17

Oh and as an additional bit of paranoia, I have drummed into my children over and over that they must never, ever dive into water unless it's a swimming pool that specifically allows diving, with signs that show the depth. A friend of my sister's was paralysed after diving into a pool on holiday and I've heard of a few other instances of serious injuries due to diving.

Reallyneedsaholiday · 06/06/2025 16:21

Raise awareness? Absolutely!
Educate? Please do
Point the finger and blame grieving parents? Just don’t!
Each and every one of us has at least one child (one assumes, or we wouldn’t be on this site), and each and every one of us has at some point taken our eyes off a child, and have simply been “lucky” that in that moment, we didn’t lose them. Not by dint of how great or perfect a parent we are but by pure “luck”. We ALL “do our best”, we all “try”, but at some point every one of us will fail to meet the standard of perfect or enquired to ensure our children’s absolute safety. They will fall, they will run, they will get sick, they will be in car accidents, they will get in trouble, as they get older they will try alcohol or drugs, they will build fires in the woods, they will take risks. That’s life.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 06/06/2025 16:26

MyKindHiker · 06/06/2025 12:26

Lol my autistic son had a total melt down when he was young for same reason wanted to jump in Thames! Glad it’s not just us, he had to be restrained to stop him jumping

Omg glad its not just us too 😭. Bless him, i think the kids must've thought it was a giant swimming pool!

Initially I had no idea why she was sobbing and then it dawned on me and my blood ran cold 🥺

BoredZelda · 06/06/2025 16:30

Not casting blame or being goady, but…. then go on to assume nobody was watching the child.

Accidents happen whether you are watching or not.