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To think car ownership is out of control in the UK

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:27

I fully expect to get a vast majority of "YABU" comments, but here goes:

Firstly, before I get flamed - I am a woman, a car owner, and yes I have a driveway now (though didn't before). I am a car enthusiast in terms of the enjoyment I've got from driving and I don't have an issue with "cars" per se.

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

Have you driven down a suburban street lately, or even an urban one?

Small and narrow Victorian streets with lines of cars packed on either side, and only room for one vehicle to drive down it. Why so many cars? The houses have been there for 150 years. Why now?

And because so many people (often fellow women, annoyingly) don't ever like reversing, you find yourself caught in the middle, having to reverse right back to the end of the street to start again.

School runs are chaos - so many cars, parking up in illegal or careless ways, purely to save a short distance walking.

And the size of cars! Absurdly large vehicles which then take up more road space on the kerbside. Yeah it is "legal" but in a decade where theoretically we want to get better as a country environmentally, most people do not give two fucks as long as their precious DCs are "safe" (you're just as safe in a NCAP 5* rated Yaris as you are in a Merc GLS, but try telling that to people where I live).

So this is the madness of today:

Cars are SO much bigger. And thanks to PCP they're cheaper - and this is why I see so many cars where I live ,and up north when I visit, and everywhere else. The PCP monthlies thing keys right into the British obsession of wanting to look and feel wealthy. Years ago a Golf or an Audi A3 would be considered posh for a family. But why would I buy a Golf when my monthly payments could get me into something BIGGER!

The one thing that isn't bigger, is the United Kingdom. I've seen councils in London paint "parking lines" half on the pavement so that people can park up on either side to let cars past. I've seen people in these Discoveries and Defenders mount kerbs at drop off time without a thought or care for who might be behind them or even aware of this being an issue.

And you can have 1 household in a street of 20 houses own 5 cars. You do the maths as to how much of the available parking is then taken away.

Why are people so aggressive and discourteous in their car ownership? What are we going to do about this?

Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Our city and town streets are not made for X5s, Discoveries, Range Rover Sports, and god knows what else, to be parked along the kerbside blocking out the light into tiny terraced houses.

How do we put a stop to this? I love the Japanese principle in certain cities where you have to name a parking space you own or have access to before you buy a car. Could this work here?

AIBU? How will we ever wean ourselves off this 'bigger is better, and every member of my family must have a car' mentality?

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MagicMichaelCaine · 02/06/2025 17:23

I remember being in a course and them discussing this. A 10cm rise in bonnet height gives a 30% higher chance of the pedestrian/cyclist being killed in a collision. With pickup trucks and large SUVs there's a 90% higher chance of serious injury and 200% higher likelihood of a fatality.

Purplebunnie · 02/06/2025 17:30

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 15:50

That’s me!

We have a Defender. I like being above the traffic and having a better field of vision in London. Also, the way some absolute nutjobs drive means I wanted a tank of a car so that a cyclist/Uber moped/other car etc hitting us wouldn’t mean we would get hurt.

We only use it at the weekends and doing airport runs etc so like the big boot and being able to chuck stuff in.

If this means a flaming, ok. I like our car. Worked hard for it. I’m fine with it.

Our Defender is stored on a farm just up the road. It fares much better there than when it was on our drive as it's half under cover and is much easier to start than it used to be. DH is slowly getting bits of it restored. It comes out regularly to do a tip run and DH would have gone on holiday in it recently but I objected as I'm getting a bit old to sit for long journeys in it

Iheartmysmart · 02/06/2025 17:35

I have a bus stop right outside my flat and to be fair the service isn’t too bad. However I’m the first contact for my elderly mum and if I needed to get to her in a hurry, it would take me nearly an hour on public transport whereas I can be there in 15 minutes in my car.

I don’t commute, have an allocated parking space and drive a tiny and ancient Smart ForTwo so have no feelings of guilt around car ownership.

DS uses my second parking space as he lives with his dad around the corner where parking is an absolute nightmare. It’s a new build estate where each property has one parking space and a garage that’s too small to fit anything bigger than a Fiat 500 in.

beetr00 · 02/06/2025 17:36

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 16:56

I do not work for Sadiq Khan, have no association with his office, and I don't like his Mayorship.

Please don't try and be clever @beetr00 and insinuate things about me.

not clever, in the slightest lovely.

Your passion is...admirable?

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 17:37

Iheartmysmart · 02/06/2025 17:35

I have a bus stop right outside my flat and to be fair the service isn’t too bad. However I’m the first contact for my elderly mum and if I needed to get to her in a hurry, it would take me nearly an hour on public transport whereas I can be there in 15 minutes in my car.

I don’t commute, have an allocated parking space and drive a tiny and ancient Smart ForTwo so have no feelings of guilt around car ownership.

DS uses my second parking space as he lives with his dad around the corner where parking is an absolute nightmare. It’s a new build estate where each property has one parking space and a garage that’s too small to fit anything bigger than a Fiat 500 in.

New build estates often try to encourage less car ownership which is a good thing

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 17:39

picklyjuice · 02/06/2025 16:37

One car per person per household extremely reasonable if everyone is at working age. How do you expect people to get to work if they don’t have a car?

Someone upthread was complaining about a household of 5 with 3 cars. It’s pretty easy to figure out why this might be necessary

There are other ways to get to work

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 17:43

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 17:20

I never said they were a majority, but it can’t be disputed whether I’m do or don’t (or am allowed or not) to feel they’re a whizzing unregulated danger (more so the e bikes than your average pushbike number)

Unregulated danger? Are you talking about registration etc?

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 17:48

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:36

Maybe so. I’ve been knocked over as a pedestrian by a cyclist three times in my adult life in London. Never been hit by a car.

And yet 99% of fatal pedestrian collisions involve motor vehicles

JohnofWessex · 02/06/2025 17:55

A pretty obvious point is that enforcement of road traffic rules, not only police but parking had dropped.

I suspect that if you knew that if you drove or parked like a twat you would lose your licence and the penalties for driving when banned made crucifixion look lenient then driving standards and behaviour would change for the better.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 17:58

@JacquesHarlow Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Really? Where was this Nirvana? Because I was driving on London suburban roads 30 years ago and every problem you describe was present. The large vehicles were called MPVs rather than SUVs but every issue your bingo card describes was present then.

PickyTits · 02/06/2025 17:59

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

I don't think the cost of car ownership should prohibit people from being able to drive when public transport is lacking in so many areas.

I do agree though that car ownership is out of control. A lot of people use it for such unnecessary trips - ie taking the car to the school instead of walking 5 minutes.

What I'd like to see happen is permanent bans for any road users caught using their mobile phones, drink/drug driving or any other form of wreckless driving. People only get pathetic one year bans - it's not enough, it should be a permanent ban and then maybe people would actually think twice and there'd be less morons on the roads.

WestwardHo1 · 02/06/2025 18:02

Helpmeplease2025 · 02/06/2025 15:59

Does he think that names like this bother the people who drive them?

No, he just does it for his own amusement. Given the type of behaviour you describe, he's not far wrong.

I'm glad it doesn't bother you though.

sugarapplelane · 02/06/2025 18:03

I do agree with you Op
I live in a small cul de sac and am fed up of the number if cars parked on the road, which makes it harder for me to reverse out if my driveway. I have had quite a few near misses! Some of the residents have space for 2 cars on their drive yet only one is parked on the drive, the other on the road. Then other residents have 4 cars but only space for 3. One of the cars is never used.
It gives me the rage in my peri state!!!

JohnofWessex · 02/06/2025 18:06

I suggest

  1. There should be powers to restrict the overnight parking of vehicles over a certain size eg Vans/pick ups/4x4's
  2. Ditto the number of vehicles attached to an address
OldieButBaddie · 02/06/2025 18:06

MagicMichaelCaine · 02/06/2025 17:23

I remember being in a course and them discussing this. A 10cm rise in bonnet height gives a 30% higher chance of the pedestrian/cyclist being killed in a collision. With pickup trucks and large SUVs there's a 90% higher chance of serious injury and 200% higher likelihood of a fatality.

This alone should be good reason not to drive one!

MintChocCat · 02/06/2025 18:10

Improve the railways. Part of the issue is that we have ridiculously poor public transport so people need to rely on cars as transport.

Digdongdoo · 02/06/2025 18:10

The only solution is to chuck vast amounts of money into public transport. Make it cheap and efficient. More frequent buses, more routes, easier connections, heavily subsidised rail travel on revamped railways. But we can't afford it, so cars and traffic jams it shall be.

mumda · 02/06/2025 18:18

People sit in traffic jams bemoaning the problem that they contribute to.

Dangermoo · 02/06/2025 18:21

Why are some people feebly justifying their mode of transport?

Helpmeplease2025 · 02/06/2025 18:23

WestwardHo1 · 02/06/2025 18:02

No, he just does it for his own amusement. Given the type of behaviour you describe, he's not far wrong.

I'm glad it doesn't bother you though.

What behaviour have I described?

C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 18:23

MagicMichaelCaine · 02/06/2025 17:23

I remember being in a course and them discussing this. A 10cm rise in bonnet height gives a 30% higher chance of the pedestrian/cyclist being killed in a collision. With pickup trucks and large SUVs there's a 90% higher chance of serious injury and 200% higher likelihood of a fatality.

What was their definition of SUV which is largely a marketing label?

SUVs range from the size of a small truck to oversized minis, there are quite a number in the smallest category. They are also very different weights and heights from each other.

Plus a lot of the increase in size/weight such as Golf now being bigger than the Golf of 20 years ago is down to increased safety standards (and in some cases electric car batteries).

SalmonWellington · 02/06/2025 18:25

It's a useful shorthand - anyone with a stupidly big status symbol car has told you they're a selfish wanker.

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 18:26

beetr00 · 02/06/2025 17:36

not clever, in the slightest lovely.

Your passion is...admirable?

Ah the usual Mumsnet attempt at a slight, @beetr00

"but why are you so passionate about my insult to you?

"why are you so invested after I called you out?"

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Helpmeplease2025 · 02/06/2025 18:29

SalmonWellington · 02/06/2025 18:25

It's a useful shorthand - anyone with a stupidly big status symbol car has told you they're a selfish wanker.

Sadiq Khan, then

C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 18:30

These threads are like irregular verbs.

I am sensible and my car is needed and I only use it for essential journeys
Yours it a bit big and you don’t need it for the school run
They should have their oversized car taken away!

Its always other peoples’ cars which are too big and used too much.