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To think car ownership is out of control in the UK

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:27

I fully expect to get a vast majority of "YABU" comments, but here goes:

Firstly, before I get flamed - I am a woman, a car owner, and yes I have a driveway now (though didn't before). I am a car enthusiast in terms of the enjoyment I've got from driving and I don't have an issue with "cars" per se.

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

Have you driven down a suburban street lately, or even an urban one?

Small and narrow Victorian streets with lines of cars packed on either side, and only room for one vehicle to drive down it. Why so many cars? The houses have been there for 150 years. Why now?

And because so many people (often fellow women, annoyingly) don't ever like reversing, you find yourself caught in the middle, having to reverse right back to the end of the street to start again.

School runs are chaos - so many cars, parking up in illegal or careless ways, purely to save a short distance walking.

And the size of cars! Absurdly large vehicles which then take up more road space on the kerbside. Yeah it is "legal" but in a decade where theoretically we want to get better as a country environmentally, most people do not give two fucks as long as their precious DCs are "safe" (you're just as safe in a NCAP 5* rated Yaris as you are in a Merc GLS, but try telling that to people where I live).

So this is the madness of today:

Cars are SO much bigger. And thanks to PCP they're cheaper - and this is why I see so many cars where I live ,and up north when I visit, and everywhere else. The PCP monthlies thing keys right into the British obsession of wanting to look and feel wealthy. Years ago a Golf or an Audi A3 would be considered posh for a family. But why would I buy a Golf when my monthly payments could get me into something BIGGER!

The one thing that isn't bigger, is the United Kingdom. I've seen councils in London paint "parking lines" half on the pavement so that people can park up on either side to let cars past. I've seen people in these Discoveries and Defenders mount kerbs at drop off time without a thought or care for who might be behind them or even aware of this being an issue.

And you can have 1 household in a street of 20 houses own 5 cars. You do the maths as to how much of the available parking is then taken away.

Why are people so aggressive and discourteous in their car ownership? What are we going to do about this?

Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Our city and town streets are not made for X5s, Discoveries, Range Rover Sports, and god knows what else, to be parked along the kerbside blocking out the light into tiny terraced houses.

How do we put a stop to this? I love the Japanese principle in certain cities where you have to name a parking space you own or have access to before you buy a car. Could this work here?

AIBU? How will we ever wean ourselves off this 'bigger is better, and every member of my family must have a car' mentality?

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HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:22

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:21

Statistically its cars crashing into cyclists that is the bigger issue, but of course you know that

Statistically you won’t die in childbirth (insert other examples), but doesn’t stop you being concerned, does it?

TallulahBetty · 02/06/2025 16:22

Agreed about the sheer size of them. NO ONE needs a massive 4x4 unless you're a farmer. Bloody Chelsea Tractors just to drop little Tarquin off, parking across people's drives, forcing everyone else off the road, driving gas-guzzlers when you could just walk.

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:23

Completely agree op, city dwellers in particular need to be persuaded out of their cars. Thankfully private car ownership in cities like london and Paris is dropping

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:24

TallulahBetty · 02/06/2025 16:22

Agreed about the sheer size of them. NO ONE needs a massive 4x4 unless you're a farmer. Bloody Chelsea Tractors just to drop little Tarquin off, parking across people's drives, forcing everyone else off the road, driving gas-guzzlers when you could just walk.

Genuine question, if the 4x4 in question was a shit heap and driven by a working class person, would you still have this stance?

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:24

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:22

Statistically you won’t die in childbirth (insert other examples), but doesn’t stop you being concerned, does it?

You're concerned about cyclists crashing into your car, every time you drive?

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:26

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:24

You're concerned about cyclists crashing into your car, every time you drive?

I’m concerned about them taking off a wing mirror, bare minimum, every time I’m in the car (whether it’s mine or an Uber or a black cab). They are mental.

Do you live in a major city? Have you been in traffic with tens of Deliveroo e-bikes whizzing past with zero knowledge of the Highway Code?

FullOfLemons · 02/06/2025 16:27

People are not really paying the full cost of motoring.

In particular the cost to the public for handing over public space for individual use.

I think we need road pricing based on vehicle size and weight rather than a flat “road tax” / VED based on emissions as it currently the case.

I have no objection to somebody driving a 2 tonne BMW or Audi SUV (aka wankpanzer). It’s their choice, however they should not be expecting the rest of us to subsidise them.

The same for on street parking and dropped kerbs.

(full disclosure I drive a car and park it on the street)

OldieButBaddie · 02/06/2025 16:29

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:21

@OldieButBaddie - point taken about a pushbike being scared of a Defender but that’s not a specific issue ie I drive just fine, and carefully and have a million sensors on the car. Other people you might have a case against. However, ask the average driver in London what they think of cyclists in London…

Honestly, a people carrier to me is ugly as hell. I like the Defender and its climate control and a/c in the seats.

The general vibe of “oh people don’t NEED cars” or “people should only have small cars” is nuts to me. If we’re saying that, well, then let’s do a one child policy and nobody is allowed a detached house or other things that they simply just want. Lots of kids or foreign holiday travel etc negatively impact others but… I mean, honestly, I don’t care. People who don’t have cars do things that negatively impact others. It’s not a black and white game.

I agree they are ugly but so are Defenders, so lumpen and unattractive!

You may drive just fine, I'm sure the woman who killed the children in Wimbledon did too until she had a fit out of the blue. The fact remains that these cars are dangerous even if you feel you are a brilliant driver.

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:29

In my borough, I think they do factor in vehicle size and engine into parking costs. Not sure if it’s for the resident permit as well, but it’s certainly for when you apply for a guest parking permit

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:30

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:26

I’m concerned about them taking off a wing mirror, bare minimum, every time I’m in the car (whether it’s mine or an Uber or a black cab). They are mental.

Do you live in a major city? Have you been in traffic with tens of Deliveroo e-bikes whizzing past with zero knowledge of the Highway Code?

Cyclists are the more vulnerable road user, and not known for taking off wing mirrors

TallulahBetty · 02/06/2025 16:30

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:24

Genuine question, if the 4x4 in question was a shit heap and driven by a working class person, would you still have this stance?

Yes, if not a farmer. 'Chelsea Tractor' doesn't mean it's not a shit heap. It means it's being driven around town/suburbia.

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:31

TallulahBetty · 02/06/2025 16:30

Yes, if not a farmer. 'Chelsea Tractor' doesn't mean it's not a shit heap. It means it's being driven around town/suburbia.

And Tarquin?

TallulahBetty · 02/06/2025 16:32

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:31

And Tarquin?

Ah, that was the issue? It also applies to the parents of Paisli-Raii too.

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:35

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:21

@OldieButBaddie - point taken about a pushbike being scared of a Defender but that’s not a specific issue ie I drive just fine, and carefully and have a million sensors on the car. Other people you might have a case against. However, ask the average driver in London what they think of cyclists in London…

Honestly, a people carrier to me is ugly as hell. I like the Defender and its climate control and a/c in the seats.

The general vibe of “oh people don’t NEED cars” or “people should only have small cars” is nuts to me. If we’re saying that, well, then let’s do a one child policy and nobody is allowed a detached house or other things that they simply just want. Lots of kids or foreign holiday travel etc negatively impact others but… I mean, honestly, I don’t care. People who don’t have cars do things that negatively impact others. It’s not a black and white game.

Given that most cyclists also own cars, i'd say the 'average car driver in london' is ok with cyclists. Of course the agro drivers will always make the most noise.

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:36

Maybe so. I’ve been knocked over as a pedestrian by a cyclist three times in my adult life in London. Never been hit by a car.

picklyjuice · 02/06/2025 16:37

One car per person per household extremely reasonable if everyone is at working age. How do you expect people to get to work if they don’t have a car?

Someone upthread was complaining about a household of 5 with 3 cars. It’s pretty easy to figure out why this might be necessary

Runssometimes · 02/06/2025 16:41

Just saw a stat that the average car is driven just 4% of the time. What a colossal waste of resources and space. Imagine if they were shared so no need for as much space and cars available for when people need them.

Tubs11 · 02/06/2025 16:46

There are holes in your arguement. Yes, Victorian houses have been there for 150 years but many of those will have been carved into flats. Other houses will have adult children who can't afford to move out so will most likely need cars to get to and from work. The UK population has grown to near 7 million in the last 20 yrs too. Another factor that is going to lead to increased car ownership.

OldieButBaddie · 02/06/2025 16:48

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 16:30

Cyclists are the more vulnerable road user, and not known for taking off wing mirrors

I agree, I have never had a cyclist take off a wing mirror, or even crash into my car! As a cyclist I have twice been taken out by a car (once they opened a door onto me where there was a ridiculous cycle lane with cars parked which you had to cycle round, the other they cut me up so badly that I ended up in a someone's front garden and ripped half my leg off on their gate 😥

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 16:56

beetr00 · 02/06/2025 15:18

Just to inform

This post seems likely to have originated from the office of Sadiq Khan, needs his funding.

more specifically, perchance?
https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-mayor-does/mayor-and-his-team/seb-dance

eta; and omg he's a northener, the shame 🙈

Edited

I do not work for Sadiq Khan, have no association with his office, and I don't like his Mayorship.

Please don't try and be clever @beetr00 and insinuate things about me.

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 16:57

Tubs11 · 02/06/2025 16:46

There are holes in your arguement. Yes, Victorian houses have been there for 150 years but many of those will have been carved into flats. Other houses will have adult children who can't afford to move out so will most likely need cars to get to and from work. The UK population has grown to near 7 million in the last 20 yrs too. Another factor that is going to lead to increased car ownership.

So what is to be done?

Do we wait until we reach 50 million cars on the road in the UK before people start to "get it"?

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MargaretThursday · 02/06/2025 16:58

Runssometimes · 02/06/2025 16:41

Just saw a stat that the average car is driven just 4% of the time. What a colossal waste of resources and space. Imagine if they were shared so no need for as much space and cars available for when people need them.

It's not really the percentage used for, so much as to the length of each journey.

4% isn't ridiculously small.

There are 168 (24*7) hours in a week.
4% of 168 is 6.72 which is approximately 6hours 45 minutes.

For someone who only uses their car to commute, that is 10 journeys a week or 0.67 hours = 40 minutes per commute.

A lorry driver is only allowed to drive 90 hours over two weeks, which is 26% of the time. Admittedly 95% of those hours seem to be trying to overtake another lorry at 1mph faster on the motorway, but it is only just over 1/4 of the time.

Far better to look at the average length of journey per person. Lots of people will pop in the car for a 5 minutes school run/local shops. I suspect the sort of person that do4es that is in the car for far longer than your 4% commuter, but it's far less justifiable.

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 17:10

Trekkerbabe · 02/06/2025 15:55

But it is.
My 70 year old neighbours own four - FOUR FFS!!!!! - cars between them. It's ridiculous.

I live in a town where most cars are those black tanks that everyone favours. They hog the roads and parking has become a nightmare. I hate it.

Go to France and it's like the UK was 20 years ago. Normal sized cars and rarely a tank to be seen.

Great post, but the cognitive dissonance in the UK around black tank SUVs is so strong that no one is willing to admit it is a problem even though it directly blights and affects many people.

I hate seeing them. Ludicrous, oversized things that people say "they need" but which in reality don't even fit their lifestyle or their socio-economic status.

A couple near us have an old Range Rover Sport from 15 years ago, and she has a very old first gen Audi Q7. Blacked out everything. The tax alone is eyewatering. They have no off-street parking so guess what.. the neighbours have to put up with these monstrosities, always parked about 50cm from the kerb edge, making the street narrow etc...

It's just so tiresome...

and yet, all we will hear on here is "people's freedoms to have what they want" etc.

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MagicMichaelCaine · 02/06/2025 17:18

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:00

Well, I beg to differ on the cyclist point! Drive round Regent’s Park on a weekend and see the cyclists getting up to 40mph (and they don’t stop for anyone or any light). I’ve seen one smash into the window of a Ford Fiesta type number.

I regularly drive trucks around the city centre. I'm well acquainted with cyclists. It would be an extreme minority of accidents where a cyclist would structurally compromise a car beyond a dent. If they did then they'd probs be dying in the process.

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 17:20

I never said they were a majority, but it can’t be disputed whether I’m do or don’t (or am allowed or not) to feel they’re a whizzing unregulated danger (more so the e bikes than your average pushbike number)