To say it’s stressful havivg a beautiful daughter?

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That’s it really. The attention they will draw and the fact they’ll have to grow up faster than they perhaps would. Men (including those that think that they have a right to chat up 16 year olds) will try it on and it makes me feel sick. DD is only 16 (though will be 17 in 4 months) but i already see men in their late 20’s:30’s leering at her and I get so mad and want to shout ‘she’s a child you creepy pervs’ but I don’t think anyone would care or react.

She isn’t a young child but she equally isn’t an adult yet and all the weirdos and creeps about make me feel so uneasy.

How do handle it if you’re in the same situation? I want to punch them all 😂

“Ugly women” still get raped. As do babies and old women.

Men might still look at 50. But it's unlikely to be on a daily basis they're harrassing you for your number, commenting on your looks, asking you out, leering etc. If you're a beautiful young teenager the attention would not be comparable to an odd look you might get at 50 and plain.

It does have something to do with beauty and as you mentioned having female curves which to the male eye is beauty.

Not to sound rude but I don’t think you’ve travelled much if you think it happens more here in the UK. Christ, it’s rife everywhere, I can recall being made to feel VERY uncomfortable in a certain country at 13 and my dad had to push a man away from me. It’s not UK-centric and in comparison to some places we seem to be very tame.

Hun?? And you've yet to answer why you thought that me saying people can look older than they are is something to do with skirt length?

There is no age when it's ok to leer and you know that.

I said people rather than men because women can also be surprised at someone's age not just men. I think your looking for a problem when there isnt one. You must make your own life difficult for yourself!

Then why do little girls get so much attention? It has nothing to do with beauty whatsoever, and certainly not ‘curves’ because otherwise young girls who have zero ‘curves’ wouldn’t get the hassle they get.

My 13 year old cousin looks like an adult with a face-full of make-up and her latest shein dress on.

Yes some men take advantage or prey on vulnerable people or take advantage of situations, e.g. a dark alley, or someone they know and groom.

A different issue to this thread which is general attention and leering from men.

Totally this.

It really shocks me how some men can be such letchy creeps when they have mothers, wives and daughters in their lives, are they so incapable of joining the dots on this?

Anyone who is well developed at a young age knows the shame they can feel with the amount of looks and leering from men, including much older men.

Of course attention is linked to beauty. Try walking down the street with someone incredibly attractive the difference is insane.

I don't know what you mean by "little girls get attention" I'm talking about leering not general attention.

But it’s all down to what a girl wears is why she gets attention? That’s what you said wasn’t it? If a girl dressing half naked then yes she’s going to get attention? Did you not say that?

No I did not say that 😆

And anyone is doesn’t develop till a later age also gets the same attention - I should know, I didn’t hit puberty till I was about 17, and whilst the boys of my age bullied me for being ‘flat’, older men leered over me because I was female. I was a little, or young if you prefer, girl at 12, 23 etc, getting leered at. It happens all the time and isn’t about beauty or ‘curves’.

And I have very beautiful friends, at an older age maybe they get more attention but when you’re young it doesn’t seem to matter what society deems.

Bloody hell yes. I’ve been to some countries where I’ve been thankful to be living here where you can pretty much walk the streets and go about your day without hassle nowadays. Yes obviously it happens but nowhere near the extent of somewhere like Tunisia, where I couldn't take a single step anywhere without being sexually harassed, cat called, manhandled, you name it - not a single step. Horrific.

@PearlHare @BunnyLake I've travelled a lot and lived abroad.

As I say 'more here than in SOME countries'. I didn't say more here than in MOST countries.

Lived for a long time in Scandinavia and travelled around there too. Also lived in Germany and Switzerland. Admittedly not the southern hemisphere where I know it's even more common.

Not really. Op was saying because her daughter is beautiful she’s getting male attention… this is not the case. Many comments have been from people who say they are plain/ugly and got male attention./assaulted. So yes rape of babies and old women is relevant as it not limited to “beautiful people”

I think most menk now a woman with a bit more life experience isn't a good bet to harass. :-)

And I'm definitely not plain. Not beautiful either.

When I was younger I had no idea how to handle it. So I was more vulnerable to attracting attention. My father took a 'boys will be boys' attitude, my mother seemed to think it should be flattering to be given attention. This is not what I have taught my daughters and any man who tries doesn't get far because I'm mature, I have life experience, and I shut that crap down.

Agree, it’s awful in some places, I was genuinely terrified at 13 and it ruined my trip and I swore never to go back to the country even though I had loved it since being a child. I couldn’t cope with that every day, I feel for any women who have to deal with it on a regular basis.

Err no Dd is not sleeping with rich men! She has lots of posh friends. She is confident gorgeous and fun so has gravitated towards a particular social group. I can’t help but notice most of the girls in the group are conventionally beautiful.

This discussion makes some women angry as shown in this thread. This is another negative. Dd has had some very odd reactions from some adults too.

The perving over teen girls is pretty much universal you don’t have to be conventionally beautiful to get perved at its mostly when young though.

Some posters are almost denying her experience has anything to do with being attractive. Very odd when beauty is obviously going to attract attention.

I haven’t trawled through all the comments, so it’s probably been said - beauty has little to do with it. The sort of men who leer at young girls don’t particularly care whether they are beautiful. The fact they are young - and therefore vulnerable - is enough. I got leered at, even though I wore cords and sweatshirts and looked a bit like Neil from The Young Ones. It’s utterly shit and disgusting. I’m sure your daughter is beautiful, but believe me, if you took away the beauty, she’d still be a target. I guess I hope I’m doing my bit by bringing up my two sons not to disrespect women and girls in this way.

I think it attracts more comment and attention from other women, in my observation. Men aren't so fussy and discerning. They just need it to be a woman.

And you’re denying that women and girls who are not deemed attractive by society also get a lot of unwanted attention despite being told it repeatedly. Very odd when simply being female is obviously going to attract attention.

Beauty does have an impact. For good and bad. Mostly good but there are particular issues that come with it. My other Dd is normal so I see the difference.

My holiday to Tunisia (I was around 19) was totally ruined by the men’s behaviour there. It didn’t matter if they were twelve or ninety and everything in between, there was zero respect and the sexual harassment was very (very) full on from all generations. I went with my best friend (we were very naive going there) and we had a camel ride. After the ride my friend’s ancient camel handler planted a snog like kiss on her, it was disgusting and she was angry and upset but there was nothing we could do except swear to never set foot in that dire country again. (This was circa 1980). It sickens me to even think about it 45 years later.