There's something racist about toilet provision in the UK.

[The13thFairy]

Am I being unreasonable to think there's something racist about 'oh, women and men can use the same toilets' here in the UK, when in developing countries and refugee camps, providing clean, safe and separate facilities for girls and women is seen to be of the utmost importance - because we know those foreign fellas will prey on them every chance they get; peeping, assaulting, you name it. Our British chaps, though, wouldn't say boo to a goose! Perfectly safe. Won't cause a moment's unease. Totally trustworthy, every man jack of them.

I don't think it's necessarily racist, but we do need to protect spaces which are only for biological women.

Women should always have separate toilets from men.

No idea why you think it’s racist, but you’re right that women should have their own space yes

there is nothing racist about the toilet provision in the UK.

I don't think it is really helpful to introduce accusations of racism into the discussion (except where there is actual evidence of racism, of course). It creates the impression of co-opting the difficulties that racialised people face as a result of racism, and using their difficulties to further a different struggle.

Think of how cynical and disrespectful of racialised people it feels when the TRAs make ridiculous claims about the alleged racism of gc people -- the fake claims that gc views rest on racist aesthetic bodily standards, etc.

Racist? Sorry but no.

And I suspect it would be vanishingly rare to have a Trans identifying Man in third world countries. But thinking about it I do wonder if some of the pro Trans social warriors would advocate differently in the situation described . Has got me thinking.

I don’t think you understand what ‘racist’ means.

Incidentally, The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 mandate that separate male and female toilet facilities are provided by employers unless each toilet is in a separate, lockable room. This includes changing and washing facilities if needed. on the whole you will see the same in other settings where you are not an employee too (separate or enclosed).

The issue we have been dealing with is not an assumption that British men are all gentlemen, but a coordinated attack on the definition of ‘woman’ and therefore who is legally allowed to use those protected spaces. We now have a definitive answer: biological women.

https://sex-matters.org/where-sex-matters/single-sex-services/

Sexist not racist

How is it racist to protect spaces we already have just because it's different in a different country?

Is it racist to complain about the rising cost of food because people in other countries have less access to food?

What????

There are women who cannot used shared spaces for religious reasons, and yes, many of them are not white…….. so by implication, gender neutral toilets could be considered racist.

Thats before we get to the finding, based on my own experience and reports from others, that gender neutral toilets are often messier than ‘the ladies’. Whilst wondering why some men can’t be bothered to lift the lid is a separate issue, it is yet another reason why many women prefer separate lavatories.

I think I see what you're getting at. However, I think the TRA position isn't that men and women can safely use toilets together, but that TWAW and should use the women's because they're not safe in the men's

Racist? Don't see the connection. We as biological women should be able to have certain spaces solely for us. How much public money has been spent on this and despite the ruling being made there are still people saying no? Who would have thought 10 years ago we would have needed a judge to point out being female is about the sex at birth? Racist? No. Madness? Yes.

This is blatant rage bait.

However, in these countries, often religious beliefs also don't permit women to be in private with a man that is not her husband... so you will never see mixed sex toilets in that part of the world.

That’s reaching big time. I would say sexist if anything.

There have always been the issue of the white exploiting the food of the black though. We in the West happily pay very little for foods imported from around the world.

Not racist at all. I think that’s a bit far fetched.

Yeah, that's what I said.

The strange thing is… Amnesty International are campaigning for women to have single sex toilets in India but mixed sex toilets in the UK. If that’s not them being racist and implying Indian men are somehow more dangerous to women then what is it? It can’t be because of the women’s religious beliefs, because they are expecting Indian women in the UK to use mixed sex toilets so why do they believe Indian woman in India need single sex toilets but not those in the UK?

I do understand the Op point though.

Also it does seem to be a high percentage of trans women are white males. Lots of black drag artists but I would say whiteness is over represented in the trans community.

It’s not that far of a stretch to think maybe lines would never have got so blurred if more Asian men decided they were women.

I wondered where this was going from the title but I see your point Op.

Thank you. You put that a wee bit better than I did! Mind you, Action Aid told me that they 'acknowledge that there is no such thing as a biological woman or a biological man' - I stopped giving them money. In developing countries Action Aid acknowledges that there are such people though, because they provide separate facilities for them. Somebody please make it make sense!