There's something racist about toilet provision in the UK.

[The13thFairy]

Am I being unreasonable to think there's something racist about 'oh, women and men can use the same toilets' here in the UK, when in developing countries and refugee camps, providing clean, safe and separate facilities for girls and women is seen to be of the utmost importance - because we know those foreign fellas will prey on them every chance they get; peeping, assaulting, you name it. Our British chaps, though, wouldn't say boo to a goose! Perfectly safe. Won't cause a moment's unease. Totally trustworthy, every man jack of them.

I have a feeling the numbers might put UK as same or even more dangerous if you work it out per capita and include the assumed level of unreported rapes. Which is giving me goosebumps

I think you mean that Amnesty International (and various other charities involved in the developing world) are racist when they call for urgent single-sex toilet and washing facilities for women in developing countries but say that women in the UK and Europeshould be willing to share with any man who wants to have a wank while hearing a woman pee in the cubicle next to his, or who wants to go through the sanpro bin looking for bloody tampons and pads to take as trophies. (Sorry to have to mention this, I know it's gross, but it's documented.)

The racism is about Amnesty implying that men in developing countries are rapists and a danger to women, while arguing that in the UK and elsewhere in Europe men are no danger at all and women don't need to protect their single-sec rights. And then there's the misogyny: they seem to care about the voiceless, downtrodden women in the developing countries but not about women once they've achieved some rights and a voice and can speak out. They really don't like western women speaking out.

That’s ridiculous of Action Aid. They will not get any further money from me either. What a complete lack of empathy for some of the most vulnerable women on Earth, who supposedly are their beneficiaries. I would love to see legal action taken against them and other charities like them.

SA and rape in refugee camps is sadly really common. Women I worked with told me they used the toilets in pairs or groups, but it was still risky, especially at night. Many were SA survivors, having to live with the shame that brings as well as losing almost everything to war, including family members. 😔

I will absolutely fight for their right to single sex spaces, and for any other woman who needs them.

So UK women don’t deserve single sex spaces? Why? And yes it is racist. They are saying British men can be trusted to behave in a mixed sex spaces but UK men can. How is that not racist?

Don't be silly.

Bringing race into absolutely everything is getting extremely wearing.

This is about the UK. We're so liberal our heads have split open. What we're now realising is this is costing women and girls their basic rights.

All minorities cannot be accomodated. Most other countries realise this. They're also not afraid of accusations. Here In the UK we are utterly terrified of being accused of being an 'ist or 'phobic. So we lay down in the road and let ourselves be mown over. Most other countries have self respect.

Yes it doesn’t make sense at all. Women deserve safe facilities wherever they are in the world.

The consequences of allowing men into women’s facilities in the UK are that vulnerable women, who are already some of the most disadvantaged on Earth will self-exclude from activities that could benefit them and their families. Why charities should fight for the rights of predominantly white men is beyond comprehension.

That stretch must be incredibly painful

This.

The issue isn’t remotely racist. To bring race into this or the plight of people in war torn countries is a ridiculous comparison.

What total nonsense.

I don't think racism is the issue here. The criminal justice system is a factor and while it's flawed here, there is a system and many rapists and predators are convicted. If we had zero protection, life would be a lot more dangerous for women. On top of that there are cultural issues in some places so even if the criminal system was in place, there would be a shame in reporting and the instances would be low, depending on the country and culture. There are some cultures that are more misogynistic of course and probably some that are much more violent towards women but I don't think its as simple as us v foreigners as there are 1000s of different cultures to consider with a huge variety of norms.

But this is not another country. This is organisations both campaigning for single sex toilets in some countries and mixed sex toilets in others. The OP is rightly calling out the racism in this approach. Why are some men “safe” to share mixed sex spaces and some not? Why are they not campaigning for mixed se provision globally?

How is this in any way relevant to what Op has said? I’m not necessarily instantly in support of what she said and I’m still thinking
it through but I don’t see how your point disproves what she says. She is actually saying more should be done for women’s and girls here from what I can understand.

Theres something off about you advocating for women’s rights at the same time telling other disadvantage groups to pipe down.

Are you concerned that the words sexist and misogyny are thrown about too much? Or are those “accusations” okay?

You know what I did think this was a bit of a stretch Op when I first saw this thread posted, but now I’ve came back and seen more context I think you may actually have a point.

It would be interesting to ask these organisations their reasoning behind it. I may reach out and do that.

I caught a Train last week, where the toilets are used by men and women - not at all sexist or racist

Our local cafe has one toilet, for men and women - not racist or sexist

My workplace has neutral toilets, where the same space is shared … not racist or sexist.

Yeah I’m curious. How will they justify this? I wonder if there’s any literature on this online 🤔

Where’s the race aspect? You mean sexist surely?!

Way to miss the point.

Many posters have explained it very well :
The strange thing is… Amnesty International are campaigning for women to have single sex toilets in India but mixed sex toilets in the UK. If that’s not them being racist and implying Indian men are somehow more dangerous to women then what is it?

Britain has gone woke.

It is utter madness that women can’t change or pee in private.

This sums it up very nicely. It’s double-standards born of luxury beliefs rather than racism per se.

Racist toilets? Think I’ve heard it all now. Just when you thought nothing could possibly be stretched further to make it into something bizarre that doesn’t actually exist.

You missed out 'you have a gender neutral toilet at home'.

Single use toilets aren't what OP is talking about, are they? She asking why big international charities think women in this country should not be able to have single sex toilets and women's in other countries really need them. Are they saying men in other countries are more dangerous than men in the UK?

Ugh no matter how many posters have explained this plainly some people are deliberately missing the point.

You’ve done well to raise this issue though, I genuinely hadn’t thought of it like that before and I’ll be contacting some of the named charities to see their reasoning.

A lot of Mn is fairly racist unfortunately so they can see sexism and misogyny but don’t like mentions of racism especially racism against men, so I can how this thread is going to go already.

I’m out ✌🏽Good luck, OP.

Well given that the UK is so multicultural now, and that there are so many men from third world countries here, your post makes little sense. I think you just want to stoke division.

Isn't it like only below 1%of reported rapes get conviction? That's quite daunting number.

not racist but misogynist.

Indeed Amnesty International run very good campaigns for single sex toilets for women in developing nations but are adamant in the global north that TWAW which kind of sticks in the craw and stops me donating.