To think that women (or men) who drop their kids off at school in PJS, go shopping in Tesco in pj's and come down to the breakfast in a hotel in pj's are wrong in the head?

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I visited Amsterdam last year and was shocked to see an apparently middle class women coming down to breakfast in her pj's,dressing gown and slippers. Similarly going round Tescos where there are people, especially women in pj's and slippers. No doubt I'll be called an old right wing fascist or something.

The title of the thread is not 'Do you think women who drop their kids off in PJs are terrible mothers and shouldn't be parents', though.

You've just twisted the subject matter in order to be able to shoehorn in your own prejudiced and blinkered 'point of you'. [sic] If this was what you wanted to froth about it would have made more sense to start your own echo chamber thread, surely?

I'm a working class person. I can assure you that it is used to offend WC people.
I am not a slob or a criminal.
The jojo bow trend was vicious on mumsnet, little girls being called CHAV's.
Sportswear/ft ball jerseys for boys. CHAV's
New cars, must be drug dealing a CHAV.
"The underclass" righto.

Some like me are unwell, I’m clean, dressed, normally no make up, it’s hard having a long term progressive illness
Never go out in pjs tho

Most do

Wearing PJs to breakfast in an hotel is on a par with eating, talking and using a phone through a film at the cinema. Bad manners in a restaurant, such as letting children run around.
Surely we can differentiate between home and public behaviour.

I also wonder whether the same posters on Mumsnet who are always asking "how to be more middle class" are the same ones who wear pyjamas to shop?

I see it all the time round my way. Women (and it never seems to be men) in pjs, slippers and dressing gowns shopping in town, popping to the corner shop and sooooo many on the school run.
Surely its the height of laziness to not bother doing a quick change?

I recently had this dilemma as I had bad vertigo and wasnt able to do much for a couple of days, but still had to wobble outside with my dogs a couple of times a day.
I ended up sleeping in joggers and a t shirt so I could still be fairly presentable in public! And thats the thing.....there are so many things you can wear to bed that dont look like pajamas and yet people are still wandering around Sainsburys in Hello Kitty pjs and fluffy slippers.

I see it all the time round my way. Women (and it never seems to be men) in pjs, slippers and dressing gowns shopping in town, popping to the corner shop and sooooo many on the school run.

I have very rarely seen this phenomenon round here.

The last time was at the beacon lighting for VE day and someone walked past with their dog wearing pyjamas (the person, not the dog ), but that is very unusual round here - village location.

However, I never see anyone in the market town nearby or the local large town in pyjamas either. Maybe it's because it is normally too cold and wet so people are in the habit of getting dressed when they get up?

clutches pearls harder

There's a similar thread on Reddit. A post written by a Hotel Manager in the US says he regularly tells guests to leave the breakfast area and put on suitable attire, unless it's a small child. There are some people he says who even turn up in bare feet. FFS. Behave like a grown up. If you have the money to pay for a hotel, you're not too poor to wear decent clothes. Looks like this habit has come from the US. There were posts saying people turn up at airports wearing pj's or go the cinema wearing pj's and carrying a blanket!

I doubt you will find many on MN who give a damn about what's posted on Reddit. Looks like you're bringing their bad habits over here.

What bad habits? Anyway talking of bad habits:
www.thesun.co.uk/travel/6193542/tourists-wearing-pyjamas-hotel-breakfast/
I rest my case. Gross,

Especially the woman who didn't even take her shower cap off.

Nothing more than body shaming. A nice collection of sneery judgements you've built up on your expedition. Classy 👏

How do you know it was a shower cap and not a silk bonnet?

When DC was in primary they had a pyjama day (possibly national book day? to avoid the buying costumes issue?) the teachers wore pyjamas too. It was nice. I think they were still able to learn and no one died from lack of decorum.

There is very little fundamental difference between pyjamas and lounge wear / leggings and t-shirt other than the label. They cover the same things. It's weird people are so bothered by something that has no impact on them at all.

I have a chronic illness and some days are a real struggle for me, I love clothes and like to be "dressed up" but I've had days where it's been as much as I could manage to drive DS to school in an oodie all in one and days where I've had to go have a midafternoon nap in an £800+ dress. I don't sleep at night in either of those but I guess the dress is actually more pyjamas than the oodie given I have slept in it - I don't think that's the one you'd judge me for wearing on the school run though.

We're not talking about people who are unwell. We're talking about people who are on holiday or out shopping who are so infantilised that they think they don't have to get dressed and have a shower, a bit like a 7 year old on a bad day. Its my yuman rites, innit. Anyway, I'm glad to see that these American habits are not catching on over in Europe. They seem to have more self respect.

Was the mum the head teacher, or was it just snobbery on your part?

Lovely bit of racism there to go with your ableism! Also, who the fuck goes around photographing people like that without consent and PUBLISHING THE PHOTOS? What is wrong with some people? Why do you read rubbish like that and think it's ok?

Maybe stop going to hotels and just stay in your house, wearing pearls and a ballgown?

What angry, boring lives some people lead. Fancy ruining your holiday by frothing about other people's attire.

Theres your ableism showing...

You assume that because it doesn't take you long to have a quick wash and change clothes, it's the same for everyone.

It takes me about an hour and a half to get up, washed and fully dressed, hair brushed and up etc. And thats in my 'PJ adjacent' clothing which is all selected as it is easy to get on/off.

If it's a hair wash day add another 40 minutes.

And that doesn't take into account the pain and the fatigue all that causes.

Being fully clothed in clothing you don't think is 'outdoor wear' is absolutely not the equivalent of walking around naked.

How would you know they weren't unwell and just managing to hide it really well in interactions with other people?

Bit harsh to judge people based on a 30 second snapshot of their lives.

Angry, sneery, snobby, judgmental. So boring.

OP, you sound incredibly judgmental. Why does it matter whether anyone has make up or jewelry on when they leave the house? The last time I wore make up was a wedding I went to two years ago. I can still make myself presentable every day though.

I do agree with you for the most part though. I can't imagine going to the supermarket in pajamas when it takes two minutes to throw some clothes on. Similarly, I would never go to a hotel breakfast without getting dressed first, but often this means throwing on yesterday's clothes because I usually wait to shower until after I'm done with breakfast. I also wouldn't wear slippers to breakfast, but I always take a pair of flip flops with me to wear in the hotel, even if it's too cold out to wear them.

But the school run? Who cares? My kids are grown now, but in the many years of school runs I'm sure there were a handful of times when I didn't get dressed before getting in the car. Only if I was dropping the kids off at their school and/or school bus and coming straight home, and only if we were in a rush, but it really didn't matter. No one would see me. Half the time it was dark that early in the morning anyway. I can't understand why it would make any difference if someone was in pajamas for the school run.

Imagine the scene - happy, relaxed holiday makers in their lounge wear, then angry, pursed-mouth OP in her starched gown and jewellery, looking daggers at everyone. I wonder who gets more enjoyment from their holiday 🤔 😅