To think that women (or men) who drop their kids off at school in PJS, go shopping in Tesco in pj's and come down to the breakfast in a hotel in pj's are wrong in the head?

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I visited Amsterdam last year and was shocked to see an apparently middle class women coming down to breakfast in her pj's,dressing gown and slippers. Similarly going round Tescos where there are people, especially women in pj's and slippers. No doubt I'll be called an old right wing fascist or something.

SaggyBollocksMan got bored of having his arse handed to him on the Femist board and came over to AIBU. Over there he was calling women right wing fascists, now he’s just unleashing his contempt for women.

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Ah, thanks LaLoba. Now it all makes perfect sense 👌 well he found his audience. Hope those women are proud of themselves for facilitating his misogyny 👏

It’s slobby and says something about the people that do this. But, if they have no pride in themselves, then it’s up to them. 🤷‍♀️

Mumsnet HQ are fine with the C word. They don’t mind discriminatory terms related to Romanis.

And class discrimination isn’t (yet) unlawful. We can all sneer at and prejudge the working classes.

From working in schools this is also my experience.

When I see this my instinct is to wonder if they're OK rather than sneer at them for being "lazy" and "slovenly".

Ooh do I get extra points for being slovenly, grim, chavvy, and trampy?
This morning, I’ve ventured out in my PJ bottoms and Ugg boots. I’ve filled the car up with petrol and now I’m sitting in my car eating a McDonald’s breakfast. And I’m vaping. And on the way home I have an Asda click and collect to pick up.

However, I rushed out the house at 3 o’clock this morning to be with my boyfriend who had just spent the night in a&e watching his father die, and the last thing on my mind was getting changed. He was also in his pj’s so I’ll let him know to find a change of clothes before he gets a taxi home. I’m sure he doesn’t have anything else on his mind.

The people who are commenting on someone popping out in PJs are the ones coming across as really nasty, bigoted, unintelligent snides.

You really have no idea what someone has going on in their life, and why they are dressed as they are.

I wouldn’t wander round the supermarket in my jammies, or catch a bus, or even walk my kids to school, but I don’t judge someone who does. It’s not my place to judge other people’s choices. It’s not yours either.

As I said, I’m clean, hygienic and hardworking. A lot of the time, the hours of 08:00 - 16:00 (or a variation of), are my “overnight sleep” hours. I bet if I got to sleep at midnight, and had to set my alarm for one am to pick up one of my children from work, or again at four am to take one of them to work, a twenty minute round trip, I wouldn’t be classed as “slobby, lazy etc etc” for jumping in the car in my pjs and going back to bed. It’s no different to me doing it at 08:45 or 15:00.

I choose to prioritise my sleep over what any ignorant minded person might think of me.

Your post says so much more about you, but if you don’t care what people think of you… 🤷🏼‍♀️

I always thought chav meant council housed and violent. I grew up in a council house and there were a fair few folk who had a deep love of sportswear, sovereign jewellery, football based violence and lots of booze. Often in and out of prison for gbh after giving someone a good kicking.

Some people are inspired by cliches. Wouldn’t of associated it with Romani. Possibly it’s regional use?

Yes, it is disgusting, the superiority and shining halo of certain MC mumsnet users, when really they're using their status and ego to use derogatory language against WC people.

It is so hard for them, as shockingly some WC make a lot of money, they now have access to centre parks, 4/5 star hotels, first-class flights, luckily they can be spotted and sided eyed by the MC snobs.

The language is not acceptable against any other group. I spent time battening against them on here, but gave up years ago, ignorance is bliss.

My Dbro will enjoy wearing his colourful clothing while carrying a rag tabloid when travelling first-class, nothing like a rich builder to turn their stomach.

Chav as hurtful as racism, from a WC persons perspective. Imo. If a person can't change it in hours, don't be a cruel c*nt.

I haven’t RTFT but someone is too bone idle to whack some clothes in the morning people can judge away! If the person doesn’t want to be judged, they can put some clothes on!!! There are disabilities, yes, but anyone that has the physical ability to get out of the house has the physical ability to put clothes on.

i wear Crocs in my car (take my riding boots off, put Crocs on to drive home) BUT my Crocs never see the public, if i have to get out to go to a shop i change in to my trainers, so no way would i ever wear PJ's out in public 😂

Then I suggest you RTFT to see how those views are being put across. Half a story is no story.

To the vast majority of people, the C word is not associated with Romany people. Merely with slobbish, anti-social behaviour.

And I don’t see it associated with ‘working class’ at all. Merely with slobbish, anti-social behaviour.

Weren’t they simply criminals? What’s council housing got to do with it? Or sportswear?

Nearly always used as a derogatory, sneering term. As for origins:

• https://thestoppingplace.eastsussex.gov.uk/young-people

• https://www.oed.com/dictionary/chav_n

Use appeared to have started in Kent.

Suggest you take it up with the Oxford English Dictionary, who describe it as a derogatory term originating from Romani: https://www.oed.com/dictionary/chav_n.

Or Friends, Families and Travellers: https://www.gypsy-traveller.org/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/

Haha! Crocs and Burberry scarves.

High end fashion items, practical and sensible wear or symbols of working class tack and slobbishness?

Discuss.

www.elle.com.au/fashion/crocs-at-australian-fashion-week/

The G word is associate with Romany and Irish Travellers.
The C word is associated with WC people.

I'm sorry for your loss 💐
Sounds like a horrible night for you both but I'm sure it was a great comfort to your boyfriend that you were there...even if you were in your pyjamas!!

There are some really nasty, judgemental posts on this thread.

😆 🤣 😂 😹

To me, the C word is not associated with WC people. As I said, rather with slobbish and/or antisocial behaviour, which is perhaps more associated with what some sociologist has called the ‘underclass’.

I love my Crocs and will quite happily wear them in public! They are the one thing that doesn't make my bad foot hurt. Maybe I should get the sign I mentioned in another post - 'wearing Crocs as I have a bad foot'! I'm dreading getting a job as I'll be expected to wear shoes!

That could be Britain's new slogan, as so many now live by it.
Don't GAF!

That was the origin of the term, back in the days of shell suits.