Page 4 | Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

HerNeighbourTotoro · 28/05/2025 07:31

Vaxtable · 28/05/2025 01:42

It’s his thoughts on the matter, he’s allowed them, and actually he’s not wrong is he? They do look to save babies earlier now, they can survive at less than 24 weeks.

Personally I think that with medical advances it should be reduced to 20 weeks, but it is what it is at the moment and that’s my personal opinion, which I am allowed as is Farage.

I don’t see it as a slippery slope to stopping terminations at all

Have you ever been to NICU?
Or saw many babies born this early and what their lives look like for months/years?

Sofiewoo · 28/05/2025 07:32

ThejoyofNC · 28/05/2025 07:27

Do disabled people not have a right to life?

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Sorry if me choosing a medical abortion for my 22 week old baby who would either die in the run up or relatively soon after birth offends you.
Cool for you that you would choose to go ahead with a full term birth, caring for a newborn in agony every day only to likely return to work after maternity leave with a dead child. I guess you’re so much better.

Life is hard. Make your own decisions for yourself and keep out of other women’s families.

OutandAboutMum1821 · 28/05/2025 07:33

I agree that the limit should be lowered. It wasn’t until I was pregnant myself and saw my baby at my 20 week scan that I realised how developed they are, I was amazed at seeing all of their bones and organs. Facially, my son looks like he does now at almost 7 even from his 12 week scan.

I have every sympathy for any woman who becomes pregnant as a consequence of rape (not her choice), knows her baby will be born with severe health conditions or could die herself during pregnancy or birth. A mother’s life should be saved at any point. Undoubtedly there are many women who have had abortions in devastating circumstances who will be devastated and would have loved a different outcome. My heart goes out to them.

Prevention is better than cure though in many cases, and given we live in a country where there are multiple different forms of contraception for both men and women, which are no longer frowned upon, we do have a responsibility as a couple to not become pregnant in the first place if we don’t want to. Abortion should absolutely not be treated lightly as another form of contraception, and I do know of one person IRL who has treated it that flippantly.

I also find the speeches from some famous women gushing publicly about how ‘empowered’ and ‘successful’ they feel after having abortions unnecessary and quite frankly abhorrent. Show a bit of dignity and class!

eustoitnow · 28/05/2025 07:33

you can be pro choice whilst also supporting a reduction to the limit - when I was in NICU there were babies in there born at 23 weeks - medical advancement is such that the limit should be reviewed and reduced. It doesn’t take 6 months to decide on having a termination for social/personal reasons. TFMR excluded of course

spoonbillstretford · 28/05/2025 07:33

The current law is absolutely fine. Quite often young teenagers don't know, or admit it to themselves or parents (when they are in a position to even tell parents or have that support) for a while. And there are not that many places to actually have an abortion. Some have to travel down to London and have an overnight stay.

Over my dead body would he start messing with reproductive rights in the UK which are some of the best in the world.

It's something I'd even resort to violence or prison to protect, I feel so strongly about this.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/05/2025 07:33

ThejoyofNC · 28/05/2025 07:27

Do disabled people not have a right to life?

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Once they are born, yes they do. In utero the rights of the mother are paramount. Often the disabilities are incompatible with life or mean that they will live a (probably short) life of pain and suffering. There aren't queues of people queueing up to adopt babies with severe disabilities if the parents feel that they can't cope but are denied an abortion.

PumpkinSpicePie · 28/05/2025 07:33

My anomaly scan was at 23 weeks, so 24 weeks fits in with that.

Glowingup · 28/05/2025 07:34

Largerbreakfast · 28/05/2025 07:30

OPs thinking is a classic example of attacking an idea due to who has said it, rather than the merits of the argument. The 24 week limit was created as a baby’s/ foetus’ life was not regarded as viable outside the womb until then. Medical advances mean we can now keep more premature babies alive. Given this, advocating another look at the abortion limit is a perfectly reasonable argument to advance. Throwing around slurs like ‘right wing’ and ‘ slippery slope’ just reveals a lack of integrity and intellectual honesty.

Well I think that at some point it will be possible to have artificial womb gestation where a fetus can be kept alive without being inside the mother. Does that mean that once that exists there won’t be abortion at all because technically the fetus is viable.
Viability should imo be measured according to whether the baby would survive without very extreme medical intervention.

Sofiewoo · 28/05/2025 07:35

OutandAboutMum1821 · 28/05/2025 07:33

I agree that the limit should be lowered. It wasn’t until I was pregnant myself and saw my baby at my 20 week scan that I realised how developed they are, I was amazed at seeing all of their bones and organs. Facially, my son looks like he does now at almost 7 even from his 12 week scan.

I have every sympathy for any woman who becomes pregnant as a consequence of rape (not her choice), knows her baby will be born with severe health conditions or could die herself during pregnancy or birth. A mother’s life should be saved at any point. Undoubtedly there are many women who have had abortions in devastating circumstances who will be devastated and would have loved a different outcome. My heart goes out to them.

Prevention is better than cure though in many cases, and given we live in a country where there are multiple different forms of contraception for both men and women, which are no longer frowned upon, we do have a responsibility as a couple to not become pregnant in the first place if we don’t want to. Abortion should absolutely not be treated lightly as another form of contraception, and I do know of one person IRL who has treated it that flippantly.

I also find the speeches from some famous women gushing publicly about how ‘empowered’ and ‘successful’ they feel after having abortions unnecessary and quite frankly abhorrent. Show a bit of dignity and class!

Why are you making any suggestion that women having late term abortions are doing so for contraception reasons or “taking it lightly”? Bit fucking patronising don’t you think?

LimitedBrightSpots · 28/05/2025 07:37

Personally I don't think that it's a good look for men to comment on abortion.

Given that so many fathers fuck off and leave mothers to raise children on their own (and this is a statistical probability where you have a child who is profoundly disabled), they should keep their mouths shut until, as a gender, they've massively improved their caring record.

For so many women, having a disabled or high needs child means their own life, health, job, hope and aspirations go out the window. They are made to feel bad for not coping in impossible situations, and that their love isn't enough, just so we can save a few quid as a society on supporting parents properly.

Glowingup · 28/05/2025 07:38

eustoitnow · 28/05/2025 07:33

you can be pro choice whilst also supporting a reduction to the limit - when I was in NICU there were babies in there born at 23 weeks - medical advancement is such that the limit should be reviewed and reduced. It doesn’t take 6 months to decide on having a termination for social/personal reasons. TFMR excluded of course

Why TFMR excluded of course? If you genuinely care about the fetus as a potential person who might survive, why would you allow it to be terminated late if it’s disabled? Eg plenty of people live with Down’s syndrome so why make an exception?

cakeorwine · 28/05/2025 07:38

I wonder how much detail Farage knows about these reasons - and how much actual thought he has put in to this?

Maybe someone could actually debate his views with him to see how committed he actually is to them.

PlutoCat · 28/05/2025 07:39

Menopausalsourpuss · 28/05/2025 06:25

The left love to quote extreme cases which often aren't even in this country. I am extremely anti abortion (while recognising others unfortunately are not). As I said on another thread many women are coerced into abortion which is a feminist issue. Unfortunately it doesn't just affect a woman's body as another body (the baby) is involved. I have had four pregnancies and very much felt like a baby from very early on.

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As I said on another thread many women are coerced into abortion which is a feminist issue

How many is many? Do you have stats to back this up?

Philandbill · 28/05/2025 07:39

Serriadh · 28/05/2025 07:30

Has Farage got a plan for funding this? You’d need more frequent early scans for pregnant women (to pick up conditions incompatible with life / extremely serious disabilities early enough) and much, much better NICU care (bigger wards, more nurses), better psychological support for women, more adoption support, more support (ongoing, often residential, care) for people with serious lifelong disabilities. Increased DLA, increased carers’ allowance for parents who have to stop working to support disabled children’s health, financial support for funerals for the babies born with conditions incompatible with life and then ongoing proper support for parents (particularly women forced to give birth in that situation), much better postnatal care for women who shouldn’t have been forced to give birth and much better (expensive) ongoing care for them and any long term conditions caused or exacerbated by being forced to carry to term.

If it’s the right thing to do then financial considerations shouldn’t stop it, but changes to laws and policies need to be funded somehow.

Does Farage actually have a proper plan for anything other than saying what he thinks will get him into power? He's like Trump in that respect. The latest opinion poll projection was horrifying.

OutandAboutMum1821 · 28/05/2025 07:39

Sofiewoo · 28/05/2025 07:35

Why are you making any suggestion that women having late term abortions are doing so for contraception reasons or “taking it lightly”? Bit fucking patronising don’t you think?

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No, clearly later term abortion are usually for serious health conditions, which are reached after many long, agonising discussions with health professionals

I don’t think having an abortion is a trivial matter or something to do repeatedly due to basically not sorting your contraception out. It is not a form of contraception. I know somebody who treated it that carelessly, and I do disagree with that. Life is precious.

PumpkinSpicePie · 28/05/2025 07:41

LimitedBrightSpots · 28/05/2025 07:37

Personally I don't think that it's a good look for men to comment on abortion.

Given that so many fathers fuck off and leave mothers to raise children on their own (and this is a statistical probability where you have a child who is profoundly disabled), they should keep their mouths shut until, as a gender, they've massively improved their caring record.

For so many women, having a disabled or high needs child means their own life, health, job, hope and aspirations go out the window. They are made to feel bad for not coping in impossible situations, and that their love isn't enough, just so we can save a few quid as a society on supporting parents properly.

I agree. I doubt if Nigel was in power he'd be keen to offer financial support to parents of disabled children in their caring roles. He'd be calling them scroungers more like and saying they were faking their child's disability to get benefits and avoid work.

spoonbillstretford · 28/05/2025 07:41

None of these right wing men ever suggest pursuing feckless fathers for child maintenance or doing anything to support the child once it's here.

They just hate women, hate that we have a say over our reproductive systems and would prioritise the life of a foetus over a pregnant woman or child, and would give men rights over our bodies given half a chance.

beAsensible1 · 28/05/2025 07:42

He is funded my very specific evangelist interest groups so I don’t trust it and unless there’s going to be massive funding to NHS pregnancy provision he should be quiet

Glowingup · 28/05/2025 07:42

OutandAboutMum1821 · 28/05/2025 07:33

I agree that the limit should be lowered. It wasn’t until I was pregnant myself and saw my baby at my 20 week scan that I realised how developed they are, I was amazed at seeing all of their bones and organs. Facially, my son looks like he does now at almost 7 even from his 12 week scan.

I have every sympathy for any woman who becomes pregnant as a consequence of rape (not her choice), knows her baby will be born with severe health conditions or could die herself during pregnancy or birth. A mother’s life should be saved at any point. Undoubtedly there are many women who have had abortions in devastating circumstances who will be devastated and would have loved a different outcome. My heart goes out to them.

Prevention is better than cure though in many cases, and given we live in a country where there are multiple different forms of contraception for both men and women, which are no longer frowned upon, we do have a responsibility as a couple to not become pregnant in the first place if we don’t want to. Abortion should absolutely not be treated lightly as another form of contraception, and I do know of one person IRL who has treated it that flippantly.

I also find the speeches from some famous women gushing publicly about how ‘empowered’ and ‘successful’ they feel after having abortions unnecessary and quite frankly abhorrent. Show a bit of dignity and class!

The fact that you seem to make an exception where the woman has been raped shows that it’s not about the fetus and its right to life at all. If it was it would make zero difference whether the mother had been raped. It’s about policing women and their behaviour and judging their blameworthiness in getting pregnant and determining from this whether they are allowed an abortion.

Bullshit about your own pregnancy (it has fuck all to do with law and policy what you personally felt and experienced during a scan for a wanted pregnancy) and nonsense about your son looking like he did on his scan picture.

Simonjt · 28/05/2025 07:43

DrummingMousWife · 28/05/2025 06:53

It’s his opinion, but sadly I agree it’s very late to have an abortion at 24 weeks and it’s a fully formed baby at this point.

If its a fully formed baby they wouldn’t require medical intervention after birth apart from in rare cases.

StandFirm · 28/05/2025 07:47

Ph2028 · 28/05/2025 01:13

Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

Remember who supports Reform - assuming the donation went through (no one talks about it anymore), Musk had pledged to donate $100 million.

Reform is MAGA wrapped in the Union Jack. Same shit. Different flag.

OutandAboutMum1821 · 28/05/2025 07:48

Glowingup · 28/05/2025 07:42

The fact that you seem to make an exception where the woman has been raped shows that it’s not about the fetus and its right to life at all. If it was it would make zero difference whether the mother had been raped. It’s about policing women and their behaviour and judging their blameworthiness in getting pregnant and determining from this whether they are allowed an abortion.

Bullshit about your own pregnancy (it has fuck all to do with law and policy what you personally felt and experienced during a scan for a wanted pregnancy) and nonsense about your son looking like he did on his scan picture.

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No, in the case of being raped some women will still go ahead with their pregnancy, some will not. It is a hugely traumatic experience, so I would be surprised if anybody would be unkind to a woman who has gone through that. I haven’t experienced that, I have no idea what that must feel like, and would have massive compassion for anybody in that horrendous situation.

What I said about my own scan photos is absolutely true. It’s lying to women to make out ‘oh it’s just a bundle of cells’, especially at 20-24 weeks. My first child, which I lost, did not resemble a baby at my 12 week scan because it sadly stopped growing at around 6/7 weeks.

Like with any debate, people do not have to agree!

Glowingup · 28/05/2025 07:48

Simonjt · 28/05/2025 07:43

If its a fully formed baby they wouldn’t require medical intervention after birth apart from in rare cases.

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Precisely. I think people also have very rose tinted views of what the outcome is of being born at 22 weeks. There’s a 99% chance of death and even if the baby is in the 1% who makes it, they will have a lifetime of medical issues. It’s hardly a case of these fetuses genuinely being viable.

Menopausalsourpuss · 28/05/2025 07:49

ExtraOnions · 28/05/2025 06:41

..you exercised your Female bodily autonomy by having your children at term, why would you then try to limit other women’s autonomy to make decisions about what happens to their body?

Feminism is about giving women the right to choose what happens to them. I would hazard a guess that more women are coerced into getting pregnant, than are coerced into Abortion.

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Because I think we should protect the most vulnerable which to me very much includes the unborn. The abortion industry is very well funded but I would rather divert that money to supporting pregnant women as I know from experience pregnancy can be very stressful (I had an unplanned pregnancy at 49 and the system encouraged me towards abortion rather than supporting me - thankfully I was strong enough to resist).

FatherFrosty · 28/05/2025 07:51

Pipe down nige
pipe down.