Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

Leave the abortion rules as they are. They run quite well. I don’t know anyone having late term abortions. I know people who’ve had the morning after pill, and a non surgical abortion. It’s entirely their choice, and if people are determined to change society, they can start by making it safer, easier and cheaper to give birth and raise children with or without a partner.

I wouldn’t force someone to go through a pregnancy, it really fucks you up physically.
There was a paper somewhere that said, all other factors removed, each pregnancy shortens the mother’s life by one year. Just from the physical effort and drain on nutritional resources to generate another human being.
I must find it. It was very interesting.

Talking openly about having an an abortion that was right for you and your life should not be a taboo or considered boasting.

women shouldn’t have to feel ashamed because they made a medical decision. Which is why so many women end up insecurely or keeping babies they don’t want or prolong making a choice because of this determination to heap shame and shun them
for making a choice.

while also shaming and judging women for being poor mothers, or mother who can cope, or mothers with addiction, or mothers who require SS intervention, or are neglectful, or who can’t provide.

for some women the best choice is to not have a baby. Why should they be quiet about that fact.

Yes the answer is clearly to improve domestic abuse services allowing women to leave abusive men who try to force them to have abortions. Not to make abortion unavailable meaning they stay with their abuser and have a baby with him that he doesn’t want.

Some very warped logic on here from people who want to try to paint their anti-women stance as being “feminist”.

Both have a history of racism allegations. Farage was described at school as fascist. There are reports of Trump openly using the N word as well as allegations dating back decades around his business practices and statements.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/letter-resurfaces-from-nigel-farages-schooldays-warning-of-racist-and-fascist-tendencies-190877/

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-racism-election-obama-018824651613

Do you say the same about women sharing their pregnancy scans, bump pictures and birth stories? Or is that not the type of oversharing you dislike?

It's about removing the stigma and shame that surrounds abortions which only applies to women. Men who agree or force their partner into having an abortion aren't judged in the same way.

I’m completely reject this. I have personally discussed my abortion on this thread and I actually think you’re disgusting for making this comment. When I grew up in NI abortions were not available and frankly nor was contraception for a lot of that. I will continue to openly discuss how awful it is to be told you’re carrying a baby that will die.

The only person who isn’t classy is the one judging other women when they have absolutely no clue!

It's concerning to me, but in the grim event that Reform were in power I doubt that a change in legislation would happen, there is vast support for abortion in the UK

Men should be- any man who forces a woman into an abortion should be held to account, and I hope any woman in that situation can find a means to escape a man like that and have her baby.

My cronies 😂

Except that France has finally enshrined the right to abort in law. We don't have that. If you look at Roe v Wade, Americans had 50 years to do the same and didn't. 50 years of cowardice led to its ultimate reversal and we're vulnerable in the same way over here. France, to its credit, may have a low limit (I don't know what it is but I'll take your word for it) but at least it's rock solid.

A medical decision is unclassy but apparently announcing you’re knocked up isn’t 😂

So you’ve completely mis-read my posts. I’m talking about people (who I know!) who have multiple, early abortions (nothing to do with babies who are going to die!) who openly admit how careless they’ve been about their contraception and boasting about it! That’s disgusting, actually.

I think abortion should be legal but I simply can’t agree that the reasons you list are why the majority of women have abortions. The vast majority of women have abortions because they simply don’t want a baby at that point in their lives, or have completed their families and don’t want another child.

When Farage and his band of merry men start giving birth I might take their opinions into consideration. But not until then.

Doing the actual infrastructure work and making the fathers accountable and fund CMA is too much hard work.

much better to just ban abortions.

So what?! So what if they just don’t want another child? How does it impact you?

In France abortion is a constitutional right. It is on request (or as it used to be said, ‘on demand’ until 14 weeks, and there are no time limits on abortion connected to the health of the woman or foetus, though this must be signed off by two doctors. In England abortion is criminalised, there is no legal right to elective abortion and you need two doctors from the get-go. Yes, in practice, women can get an abortion on mental health grounds fairly easily, but our rights are more fragile than in France and only recently we’ve seen women prosecuted and even jailed for having abortions. In the UK, 90% of terminations happen before 12 weeks and 99% before 24 weeks. The tiny number that occur later and usually connected to catastrophic abnormalities in the foetus. Farage is parroting talking points from the creepy, shady and fundamentalist ‘pro-natalist’ groups in the US, who believe the role of (white) women is to reproduce. It’s not a pro-women ideology at all.

So better for babies to be born to women who don’t want them? And “boasting” about it. Yep. Sure they are.

I can’t stand Farage however I agree on this. Totally pro choice but unless there are medical reasons for either baby or mother, I think it’s outrageous to abort at as late as 24 weeks.

Better for both men and women to sort out multiple types of free contraception between them beforehand, prevention is better than cure.

You’re not pro choice then. You’re pro your own views and comfort level.

Not totally pro choice then.

Of course. But if they don’t?

They are already born, it’s different.