Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

This. I agree with Farage

honestly, i'm not your poster child because i believe a woman's body belongs to her and i have no limit on abortion. I understand that is challenging.

omg - this already exists - farage has no argument or impact on this?? wtf??

I wonder if you are aware what happens in a late term abortion ?

Because I believe that life begins at conception. I have a religion, but I'm not really devoted to it and it doesn't drive my reasoning on this topic.

Interestingly last night there was a documentary on telly by Ellie Simmonds who was exploring if she should have kids due to her disability. For those who don't know Ellie was adopted as her birth mum wasn't aware her child was disabled until after birth and information on condition at the time wasn't overly great.

She met specialists and parents who had to make this decision. It wasn't an easy watch to be honest but there are so many ill informed people on here so far that really need to watch to understand frog face is stiring shit for his own financial benefit.

Documentary also discusses society and how that plays or can play a part in decision making. I mean let's be fair our society is incredibly ableist..all you need to do is look at the threads on SEN or PIP cuts to disabled people to see what a lot of society think about disabled people.

Outside of that definitely recommend giving it a watch. It reinforces the point only tough devastating conditions lead to late abortions and Farage would happily strip that right away for money.

Really? 9 months?

Which pratices ? The abortion act of 1966 (60 years ago) ? Or the change from 28 to 24 weeks in the early noughties ?

Most abortions take place well before 12 weeks. Most women with a wanted pregnancy feel attached to the baby as soon as they know that they are pregnant, when it is just a bunch of cells. If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one but don't stop other women from doing so.

Many women are also coerced into keeping an unwanted pregnancy and women in coercise and abusive relationships find it much harder to leave once they have children with their abuser.

Well then he’s not pro choice, is he?

Nor are many of the people responding to this thread. At least one was able to own being anti-choice and pro-forced birth.

Late terminations tend to be for foetal anomalies that Farage and most of his supporters will never have even heard of.

The problem with his argument is that medical treatment for premature babies will continue to improve as years go on. What happens when we’re able to save babies born at 20 weeks? Then 16 weeks? 12 weeks? Do we just keep reducing the abortion limit until eventually it’s not legal to have an abortion at any point? We have to find a balance between rights of women and the rights of the unborn. Frankly after seeing what has happened in the US I think ANY movement to reduce the abortion limit is a slippery slope.

I’d have no problem with reducing the 24 weeks to 20 weeks for standard abortion laws based on advanced technology changing viability. I would have a problem with relaxing abortion laws to make them easier to obtain later in pregnancy, even though few women would use it. As others have said, it’s already available beyond 24 weeks for serious and life threatening medical reasons. All that would be achieved by relaxing the law is more coerced abortions.

What about abortions at 24 weeks because of fetal anomalies or where a woman's health is at risk?

Go and research why 24 week abortions happen and what would happen if this wasn’t an option

Oh FFS and @Viviennemary you as well

no you don’t. If you aren’t paid to comment (and god I hope you’re getting paid for this) then you’re one of those women who want general society to adhere to these ideas but if push came to shove and it was you or your daughter or sister or niece you’d absolutely take advantage of these regulations.

the benchmark of a society is how it treats its most vulnerable. Fucks sake.

There already is the ability to have an abortion up to 9 months for serious feral abnormalities. But you and your cronies aren’t bothered about disabled kids are you? Which is why all the discussion is about the 24 week limit and policing what women do.

Then many of the “it feels like a baby” crowd go oddly silent.

Why does “right to life” for the baby “top trump” right to life for the mother?

Does this “right to life” include the right to be free from pain ?

Does this “right to life” include living with a severe and life limiting disability?

Does this “right to life” include the right to a life, of a parent caring for a terminally ill child?

Farage is also now for removing the 2 child benefit cap, to encourage people to have more babies. This is him pandering to the US Great replacement theory nonsense. The whole premise of people like Musk and those giant families in the US is that White Christians are being outnumbered by Black and Brown people so they need to 'breed for Jesus' (who in all probability, wasn't white, and definitely wasn't European, but there you go)

Do disabled people not have a right to life?

I read an article written by a woman who worked in an abortion clinic in the US who recognised women attending for an abortion or with their pregnant teenage daughters as high profile anti-abortion campaigners.

Even after they had an abortion themselves or helped their daughters to have an abortion, they still maintained their anti-abortion beliefs and continued to campaign against abortion for other women. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There were often stories coming out about prominent male anti-abortion politicians paying for their mistresses to have abortions.

In the US, the type of people that want to ban abortion also don't want any of their taxes to go to supporting low-income families. As George Carlin once said about the motiviation of these anti-abortion campaigners, 'if you're pre-born you're fine, if you're pre-school you're fucked'.

The vast majority of late term abortions are for non viability. So they won't live as a disabled person. They will die soon after birth, possibly in pain.

Has Farage got a plan for funding this? You’d need more frequent early scans for pregnant women (to pick up conditions incompatible with life / extremely serious disabilities early enough) and much, much better NICU care (bigger wards, more nurses), better psychological support for women, more adoption support, more support (ongoing, often residential, care) for people with serious lifelong disabilities. Increased DLA, increased carers’ allowance for parents who have to stop working to support disabled children’s health, financial support for funerals for the babies born with conditions incompatible with life and then ongoing proper support for parents (particularly women forced to give birth in that situation), much better postnatal care for women who shouldn’t have been forced to give birth and much better (expensive) ongoing care for them and any long term conditions caused or exacerbated by being forced to carry to term.

If it’s the right thing to do then financial considerations shouldn’t stop it, but changes to laws and policies need to be funded somehow.

I bet he really wants to stipulate that it’s for white British people only but knows that he can’t. It was only about 10 years ago that people were going on about irresponsible breeders having too many kids, hence the 2 child cap (it’s a pretty recent thing) and now suddenly the world needs more kids for some reason. Only white ones though.

OPs thinking is a classic example of attacking an idea due to who has said it, rather than the merits of the argument. The 24 week limit was created as a baby’s/ foetus’ life was not regarded as viable outside the womb until then. Medical advances mean we can now keep more premature babies alive. Given this, advocating another look at the abortion limit is a perfectly reasonable argument to advance. Throwing around slurs like ‘right wing’ and ‘ slippery slope’ just reveals a lack of integrity and intellectual honesty.