Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

You got there first!

She has never even said she has an abortion so how can she boast about it 😂

I would also vote to back any doctor/other medical professional who morally objects to performing this so-called healthcare, they should have every right to refuse

The right of medical staff to refuse participation in abortion because they have a conscientious objection to the procedure is enshrined within the 1967 Abortion Act.

The baby will be born with a condition incompatible with life and will survive for a short while only, in significant pain.
that good enough for you?

Legal abortion by definition is not murder.

All you are doing by (hypothetically) voting against safe abortion to 24 weeks is removing essential rights from women.

Do you think women are having late term abortions for shits and giggles? These are medically necessary procedures that you have no more right to object to than any other medical intervention. You don't like late term abortions, that's fine. Don't have one, nobody has a problem with that.

But you don't get to take that option away from other women without understanding the harm it causes. Thousands of women DIE each year because they don't have access to safe abortions. You ok with that? Because you have to be, if you think abortion rights should be eroded.

I personally do have an issue with the idea that a human life that could survive and live a healthy life is deemed less important than the wishes of a woman who doesn't want to be a mother or carry the baby for another few weeks.

I find this mindset absolutely boggling. A woman should be forced to be a mother? Really? I notice you're not insisting that the man should be forced to be a father.....

Frankly, this sort of attitude is based on the deep seated knowledge that women take responsibility for other people all the time, even when we don't want to. And if we refuse to allow abortions, those women WILL step up and look after those children in many many cases. Which is just another way we've all been fucked by the patriachy.

You been on the vino this morning?

i do wonder if everyone on here against abortion is pro removing the benefits cap, pro free childcare, pro funding formula etc., on the NHS?

So, no?

Obviously not.

Why do you lot keep on saying people are using it as contraceptives . As if it’s not a multi step process that causes flooding, cramps, time off work and drs appointments.

if you know someone who’s had 3 abortions that is not “using it as contraception”.

if you know all these people maybe check they’re Ok as clearly somethings up OR are they a made up person? Or someone you know who has MH or addiction issues.

The trope is so boring at this point

I didn't vote Reform, but Farage is right on this. Aborting a non-ill baby at almost 24 weeks is actually hideous and really does constitute murder of a formed human being capable of surviving, which you will have to give birth to anyway - live or dead. Our abortion limits are the longest in Europe and we should consider whether we have it wrong.

I do support the right of women to get an abortion, for sure. I don't know what the limit should be, but more qualified people need to decide this - something in the region of 14-18 weeks perhaps, in the absence of serious medical issues for mum/baby. I would also support exceptions for abortions after that time for any kind of reason - but think that a panel of suitably qualified people ought to arbitrate on that.

Farage isn't wrong though.

the point is that we don't need an arbitrary limit because it's self selecting. Medical reasons would be aborted earlier or, if impossible, baby would go to term but be allowed to die.

What you propose is essentially what is already happening.

@OutandAboutMum1821

so not only do you want to deny women rights over their own bodies and force them to give birth, you want to deny people with terminal illnesses who cannot get better, full of horrendous pain, the right to end their suffering??
where is your humanity??

I'm sure it's probably already been said but when Nigel Farage finds himself in the position of needing an abortion, then Nigel Farage can have an opinion on abortion.

As for the late term abortion issue. I know someone who had a later term abortion. Her baby had a condition that was incompatible with life and what she described when she told me what they saw on her deciding scan still haunts me now 18 years on so I won't describe it.

The pregnancy was 'healthy' the child was not and could not have survived. She would have potentially had to carry it until full term when it would not have survived. As it was, she had to deliver the foetus, which was traumatic enough. I cannot imagine the trauma that she would have lived with had she been forced to carry it for another three months or wait for spontaneous abortion.

As with lots of issues that focus on women’s autonomy, men’s opinions and ideas ‘trump’ (pun intended) them all!
Why are men seemingly immune to the censure, demands and judgement that women experience their entire lives?
Abortion discussion revolves around limits and the foetus. If the foetus has rights that supersede or equal that of the mother, surely both parents should be held to account for the consequences or that pregnancy rather than just the mother? If a partner up and leaves her at any point in the pregnancy, that’s child abandonment or at least neglect isn’t it by the same logic some posters are using here?!

It’s much easier to vilify women though rather than hold men to a higher standard (rock bottom at present) or invest in better services and support for women? Let alone support women who have disabled children or have medical issues themselves. As previous posters have said, as soon as the child is in the world they look the other way…..

In many if not most cases, if a problem is picked up in an 18 week scan there would still be a repeat and possibly further investigations. So the reality is that you are looking at past 20 weeks before you have a full picture of what is going on and what your options are.

I can’t stand Farage and defend a woman’s right to choose but I also think choosing to end a pregnancy for non medical reasons should have an earlier cut off, 3 months though I’d personally opt for 14 weeks to allow for delays in the process

For medical reasons the later cut off is essential and separate

So in the 30 years you’ve know your friend she’s had 3 contraception slip ups that have resulted in pregnancy. So 1 every 10 years.

should she wear a shame cone so you know she’s suitably upset. Maybe she’s not sad. She just acknowledges she didn’t want to be pregnant so didn't stay pregnant.

would you prefer if she was rending her shirt and sobbing in a deep depression

Cancer in the baby. Rare. But it happens. About as rare as third trimester abortions. Do you know how often they actually happen?

No it’s not murder, don’t be so ridiculous. Is there any evidence whatsoever of women choosing to wait until 23 weeks to have a termination just for the hell of it? Or trying to get a termination later than that?

Before abortion was lawful women still had them and doctors performed them (for rich women who could afford it). Just not legally or officially. That will still happen if you ban abortions. It will just mean that those who can’t afford to pay will resort to unsafe methods to rid themselves of the pregnancy. It won’t mean an influx of healthy newborn babies ready to be adopted by infertile couples (a total fantasy that’s very out of touch with the realities of adoption).

Given that the American right is also coming after contraception, she could as easily be talking about her ability to use birth control.

People really don’t understand our current laws and how they are used, from reading this thread.

@ThejoyofNC in the incredibly rare situation that a 40 week foetus could be spared pain for a short period of life before dying as a neonate then I think a painless end before birth would be infinitely preferable for many parents. What a hideous experience it would be for any parent faced with that choice and not one that anyone should be using as a bit of whataboutery’.

Well no because pregnancy/baby is a punishment for wayward harlots.

they should be left to struggle in penury as a consequence of their unmarried sex. And if they’re married the punishment for being poor.

im sure they argue against universal free school dinners as other peoples children aren’t their problem.

it would be more believable if they were all bleeding hearts who adopted 5 children with complex needs. but they’re just run of the mill judgement merchants mired in the Madonna/whore concept of womanhood