Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

What happens if an anomaly incompatible with life is identified at 20 weeks? Because that is the optimal gestation for things like the heart to be scanned.

Ah. Backtracking from the “openly boasting” I see!

Yes because it’s exceptional and always medical.

Nope, I’ve heard the lot. I do know what I’ve heard you know 😂

I will when it happens, but it won't.

Michelle Williams at the Golden Globes? Horrendous, not somebody I’d consider a role model. I’d rather be penniless with my baby than be her with her inanimate object she’s so proud of.

Why is he choosing this medical issue to comment on?

Plenty of other medical issues ripe for debate.The treatment of obesity on the NHS. The IVF postcode lottery. Electroconvulsive therapy. The frequency and selection criteria for cancer screening. Social prescriptions.

Why is he picking on this one issue? tWhen there are so many others he could be running with? So many other areas that we could disagree on? Why choose the one area that has the potentially huge impact on women’s rights and freedoms?

I’ll say it again. He’s a dangerous man.

It seems many posters are confused.

At the moment, it's possible to get an abortion up to 24 weeks without any reasons other than the woman doesn't want to give birth.

24 weeks was about the stage a baby could survive and therefore their right to life was considered above that of the woman's choice.

Now babies can survive at an early stage but women can still decide to end the pregnancy because she doesn't want to be pregnant.

Medical reasons is another matter. In instances where a baby's life outside the womb is impossible even with the help of medical technology, or doing so would come with pain or e tremely severe disability, the option to end the pregnancy is and would remain up to the point of delivery.

I personally do have an issue with the idea that a human life that could survive and live a healthy life is deemed less important than the wishes of a woman who doesn't want to be a mother or carry the baby for another few weeks.

Thank God the numbers are low but any number is one too many.

She didn't boast about an abortion. She expressed gratitude for the right to choose.

Just to be clear..why is the USA's stance on abortion relevant to what Farage is saying? There are several hyperbolic posts on here, already slamming Farage's opinion, just because it's him. Now these are posters who no doubt talk about Reform voters lacking in critical thinking skills (arrogant). How about finding one's own critical thinking and applying it to this debate. Attack the point not the proponent.

What inanimate object? You do realise that MW lives in a country where access to abortion is not guaranteed and the experience of that is very different to living in the UK. She said it to raise awareness and she was also pregnant when she said it - she has two children. You’re projecting your own feelings about your own children onto this issue which is one of basic human rights for women. And it’s very easy to say that you’d rather have your baby and be penniless when you don’t have to live that reality yourself. Bringing a child into abject poverty isn’t always the best choice anyway.

@OutandAboutMum1821

that’s you. Plenty of other women would rather be in the position she’s in now. She’s obviously pleased with her decision…can’t you just be happy for her?

I agree that 24 weeks is too late outside of fire medical prognoses for baby or mother. Don't like to agree with Mr F though.

When these politicians talk sadly some people just take them at face value. Most abortions do not happen at 22-24 weeks and when they do it is due to complications. Wish they would support their views with statistics. I think it’s not even 0.01% of abortions that take place at this mark. I have a friend who works with women who have high risk pregnancies.

Can you give a medical (or in fact any at all) reason to "terminate" a baby at 40 weeks?

Exactly. 98% happen by the 17th week. Staggeringly few abortions are happening anywhere near 24 weeks. It's an imagined problem.

Yeah, it's more lack of understanding. Acknowledging an abortion. Expressing gratitude it was possible, as well as relief. Celebrating the life you live as a result... thse are not "boasts".

The ridiculously overhyped language people use to describe women who choose to have abortions is so ridiculous.

I don’t think male politicians should be allowed to air their views on this subject full stop.

The law is fine as it is. The fact there is an effort to ‘start a debate’ is very worrying. There is nothing to debate.

Abortions are nothing to be ashamed of. Michelle Williams can say what she wants.

It’s such a nonsense to even present it as an option with the dearth of foster carers and the number of children languishing in care.

let alone the attitude towards adoption on here on a normal day. Just a bunch of lies with no basis in day to day realities.

oh ffs. At 40 weeks, a baby is born. If it's very unwell, it dies and does not receive medical care - you can consider that an abortion if you want but most people just think it's a tragedy. No one swans into a hospital and asks for an abortion at their due date because they've changed their mind. Be realistic.

It shouldn’t be. I disagree that optional abortion are ‘essential healthcare’. That’s just a nice, polite, sanitary term for glossing over murdering foetuses. True healthcare is about preserving and saving life, which is far from this (unless Mum/baby would definitely die without one).

Final thoughts- if this goes to a national vote, I will be voting to lower the limit from 24 weeks. I would also vote to back any doctor/other medical professional who morally objects to performing this so-called healthcare, they should have every right to refuse. Same with assisted dying. I’d love to know how many people who are so pro- abortions or assisted dying would actually be prepared to perform them themselves?

What is wrong with you? You’re such a nasty person.

For everyone else, these are the disgusting and apparently boastful worlds.

"I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose," she said. "To choose when to have my children, and with whom."

"I am grateful to live in a moment in our society where choice exists, because as girls and women, things can happen to our bodies that are not our choice,"

Can you point out to me where she boasted?

www.cnn.com/2020/01/05/entertainment/michelle-williams-golden-globes-2020-speech

It isn't possible to murder a foetus.

This.

Surely (assuming the mother has received basic medical care during pregnancy) any medical conditions would be identified long before 40 weeks.