Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

Ah.So what you mean is that people are relieved and grateful that safe abortions are available, and delighted that campaigning, usually by women, has made that possible. And desperately worried that other women are at the risk of
losing that option. Right.

@OutandAboutMum1821

ffs, women can do what they want with their OWN BODIES!
whether you like it or not.
deal with it.

Yep, no issues with my understanding, I certainly understand how to prevent a pregnancy. I also understand foetal development week by week, month by month, and lies about ‘a bundle of cells’.

I have actually been with a friend who went through one and it was absolutely horrendous. I think fully educating people to use contraception and avoid ever being in that situation is preferable, having directly seen the entirety of such a situation and it’s aftermath. My friend would have been better off for sure.

Regardless of anyone's personal views this has got to be conclusive proof that he would seek to be an outpost of gilead the US if allowed to. Anyone who votes reform is complicit.

You can advocate for better birth control provision without touching abortion rights. You don't have to choose.

Those of us clued into politics knew this was coming. He’s funded by the far right in America and that includes importing all this bollocks. Hopefully this is a wake up call to everyone who thinks reform would be good for the country.

And other people are free to disagree. You do get that as part of any debate there are often more than two sides even, a great deal of nuance, a hundred different perspectives even? People do not have to agree on anything.

Some people are religious. Some people believe life begins at conception/6 weeks/12 weeks/24 weeks/birth. Some people believe a foetus has rights. Some people believe the mother’s rights trump all. Some people believe in abortion in no circumstances/some/any. People are free to think what they like, even if you don’t like that.

So you’re advocating murdering a baby up to the point of birth?
wow!

@OutandAboutMum1821

how patronising are you about women?? A woman can be as clued up as possible re contraception however no contraception is infallible. There is always going to be contraception failures. You can’t control what other women do with their bodies, only your own. So if you wanted to go through with an unwanted pregnancy due to a contraceptive failure then you can do, other women can make a different choice.

Also giving more tax breaks to married couples and encouraging people to have more children. Next is the "a woman's place is in the home" campaign. For goodness sake Britain wake up and smell what you're shoveling.

Which celebrities have "boasted" about having abortions?

@OutandAboutMum1821

no, I’ve said that people can think what they like but at the end of the day their opinions don’t matter one iota as woman can make their own choice about their own body. I have no issue with people having a different view of that - it’s meaningless afterall as their opinions count for nothing 🤷‍♀️😀

What does that have to do with your claim that your own best friend is boastful about her abortion?

Yup! Scary how people are not recognising this

But minimising and trivialising abortion is I think making some lump it into the same category as contraception, which it absolutely isn’t.

In terms of ‘policing’ women, then why on earth have any laws or limits on anything as a society? Why ‘police’ anybody about anything, just remove the lot? Is that a wise move?

This is not (should not) be a political topic in this country. It is a medical concern which, along with issues like state torture, the death penalty and universal suffrage has long been settled politically aside from the absolute fringes and should be not be featuring in mainstream political debate. This is regressive.

Farage is deliberately choosing to talk about issues that have the potential to polarise and where nuance and complexity get ignored in pursuance of easy answers.

That man is dangerous.

It's all getting a bit 'Kinder, Küche, Kirche' which is worrying.

Well of course they are.
what he said was perfectly reasonable. Some things are indeed a slippery slope argument but that line has really become a dog whistle and meaningless. It mostly just means ‘x said something reasonable but I don’t like x so I am going to call it a slippery slope’ you wouldn’t argue that someone saying sometimes life support has to be turned off is a slippery slope towards going out in the street and murdering someone.

Conflating abortion limits with pre-term birth limits is false equivalence.

The earliest a baby has survived is 21 weeks and 1 day. The numbers of babies who survive prior to 24 weeks is low. At 23 weeks, there is only a 5-7% chance of survival. Even at 24 weeks, the survival rate is around 60%. Of those who survive, 30% of those die within a year. Those who make it past a year have a 50% chance of having life altering disabilities where they cannot live independently. A further 20% will have mild to moderate disabilities. This means only a very small number of babies born at or before 24 weeks come out completely unaffected by it. Of course we see the news stories of the tiny preemie who has beat the odds and is now a strapping rugby player or has got their degree in rocket science. I personally know of 2 such babies who happily beat the odds. But, I also know of many, many more parents who lost babies born extremely prematurely. I also know of parents who’s babies although born at that gestation, did not have a high enough APGAR score for intervention by the medical team.

We don’t carry out testing for abnormalities until 20 weeks. Allowing a week for slippage of the appointment, another week to get the results, any reduction of the abortion limit results in parents having to make the incredibly difficult decision whether to carry on with a pregnancy where their child will likely not survive and if they do will have severe disabilities, in a very small window of time.

Nobody is choosing to terminate a healthy baby at 24 weeks. The numbers at this level are very, very low and it is an insanely difficult thing for a woman to do. Moving the limit to suit a societal need based on nothing more than a misplaced moral outrage, will lead to the unnecessary suffering of women and children.

So instead of addressing his view, you just write him off because it's Farage saying it. There's a word to describe what you're doing but it will get deleted if I post it.

Because despite knowing all of this, she went one to have 2 others which were entirely avoidable and unnecessary. She dismissed it entirely and was boastful about it, it was extremely unfeeling and like she was devoid of any emotion about it, really concerning. I’ve known her for almost 30 years, she often boasts about inappropriate things to shock people. I give very little reaction, but I am concerned when somebody behaves like that.

I think 24 weeks is about right. Anything much after that must be really distressing for parents and medical staff.

It is in the same category. It is all essential women's healthcare.
You do what you want, campaign for better provisions of the bits you prefer by all means, but don't take rights away from other women.

What he is saying is common sense. Abortion won't be banned during our lifetime, BTW.

Tell that to America...