Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

Terminating a pregnancy isn’t traumatic for many women. It wasn’t remotely traumatic for me. It was a done deal as soon as I knew I was pregnant. Job done.

Yep. Some of the pro-lifers on this thread are also the ones that blather on about benefit scroungers and support the two children cap etc.

It's not a good point because women aren't currently able to access abortion services after 24 weeks unless they are having a termination for medical reasons.

In NZ there is no upper limit for abortion though after 20 weeks you need medical sign off.

I cannot find any statistics on how many abortions were performed after 20 weeks last year. The only stats were 763 post 20 weeks abortions were performed over the period of 2009-2019. In a population of 4-5millions

This indicates to me that any of these abortions were for medical reasons to protect the life of the mother. It is most likely that these were wanted babies and heaping any further judgement causes pain to those already in one of the shittest of shit situations.

I think many adopted children may have feelings of abandonment, particularly if they learn that their birth mother had other children which she kept.

I wouldn't care if I had been aborted as I wouldn't have known anything about it.

What is definition of serious disability? I know some argue you should be allowed to terminate if baby has a cleft palate! There’s nothing wrong to thinking a fetus has a right to life. We know not all terminations are for medical reasons so the hysteria about babies being in pain, and risk to mothers life is not the majority. It’s such an ableist argument as well that disability is so bad you have no option but to terminate. I am pro choice and am happy with rules based on viability. It’s not batshit right wing or god squad to think that. I don’t support a liberal free for all that doesn’t value life or rule of law. If you don’t want a baby use contraception not abortion to control your fertility. If you are unlucky to have to make a difficult decision then you have my sympathy.

Babies get no say in anything. Babies who are born into a family that doesn't want them because the mother was unable to access an abortion and who are neglected and abused have no say in that either.

Most anti-abortion zealots love the foetus in utero but couldn't give a fuck about them once they have been born.

Talk to me about this “open boasting” you have heard so often. Because I have been involved in women’s reproductive health and abortion rights for many years, and I have NEVER heard anyone “boasting”…..

Well, quite often they like the ‘people shouldn’t have babies they can’t afford’ line.

They don't even love the foetus. What they love is telling women what to do and feeling like they have moral superiority.

I’ve heard a LOT of women say how relieved they felt to have had an abortion. I think it is incredibly difficult for women who have only ever been pregnant with much wanted babies to imagine how distressing pregnancy is when you don’t want to be pregnant.

Nige wants to tighten abortion rules, remove the 2 child cap .. and would not surprise me to see him look to end free contraception.

He wants us breeding, and staying at home … he wants the population increasing … the White One anyway.

It’s all part of a bigger agenda to restricts women’s rights, choices and opportunities

I doubt anyone is having an abortion between 20 and 24 weeks as a form of contraception fgs.

Not the white one quite so broadly. I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark and suggest that he wasn’t happy when the U.K. birth rate was being propped up by white Europeans.

Exactly, and preventing them from aborting means people left to raise a disabled baby against their will… not exactly ideal conditions!

He's allowed his view. If enough people share a view they can get a party elected and the law can be changed. That's how democracy works.

Personally I believe abortion should be allowed at any time up to 36 months. Some people will think that's too late, others perhaps too early. That's fine, we all just need to obey the law as currently active and lobby to change it - or to keep it as is - if we're that concerned.

My view has long been if you don't want an abortion, don't have one, but if people want to live in a society where it is restricted to 10 weeks or banned altogether they are entitled to campaign for a change in the law.

My own best friend has. Also, my own sister, who is Gen Z, massively approves of the current trend of celebrity boasting about it at award ceremonies, saying they have every right to be ‘proud’ of it. That’s going way too far. I don’t think having an abortion is something anybody really aspires to do.

I do think some people have normalised it as a form of contraception for early pregnancies, and I disagree with that. It’s irresponsible- we live in a country with multiple forms of free contraception for both men and women.

An abortion at 36 months feels a little late

Absolutely. Relief is a common and appropriate response. I wonder if that’s what @OutandAboutMum1821 means by “openly boasting”?

In what way has your friend “boasted” about her abortion? Do you even understand the words you’re choosing to use?

Yeah I can’t work this out

either we are full or we aren’t

How can you call her your "best friend" when you clearly have such a low opinion of her decisions?

Totally agree with this

are you mistaking boasting as not feeling any shame for accessing health care?