To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

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I feel, as a FWR lurker, that I would have seen linked articles to bank up the fact that trans identifying men aren't safe in men's loos, and therefore that's the rational why women should budge up and accept trans identifying men in their spaces.

I'm pretty sure with a quick Google I could fund evident that trans identity men have made women's spaces unsafe (Kate delowski? The one who worked for a charity and made a masturbation video).

So AIBU to wonder what hard evidence there is?

Oh so you won't condemn his actions. Interesting.

Great. I am glad that you do actually understand the relevance of the original post.

That police officers should not be having their photos taken with people with political signs. Especially ones that call for women to be afraid.

Whether it was a transgender activist or not, the point of not taking photos with signs calling for women to be afraid is rather valid.

I am glad that you understood the point now though.

And I am also glad that you understand that regardless of who is telling women that they should be afraid in this manner, which is an act of intimidation and threat, it is never appropriate. But I did notice that you have failed to acknowledge what Baker was doing this very weekend? Was that an oversight on your part?

Or did I miss you stating that Baker should not be threatening and intimidating female people? In which case, I am sorry. I will go back and check. (no, I checked, there was no acknowledgement of what Baker did, just a further attempt to distract with an irrelevant point).

because he wrote a blog post about it

thecritic.co.uk/why-wont-the-chief-constable-hold-my-sign/

What is the significance of who is holding the sign?

Because the people who executed this deception in an attempt to entrap a police officer there for everyone’s safety and protection proudly posted about it.

And the poster upthread went and used this deception as “evidence” of trans threats to women. And yet it was a “false flag” deception entirely devised by gender critical activists who invaded a safe space event for queer and trans people with their hatred.

All this fuss about a tiny minority of people who face much bigger challenges than we do, and resorting to fabricated “evidence” like this just shows how deranged transphobes really are.

So what about Sarah Jane Baker?

Well if his aim was to demonstrate that inciting violence against women who say no to men is not only tolerated but actively condoned at these events, I'd say it was mission accomplished, wouldn't you?

Why is a 'false flag'?

Would YOU like us to go and find the videos and the selfies of the male people that you are categorising as a 'tiny, vulnerable minority' then? The actual content self published by the relevant people?

And sorry, did you actually even acknowledge Baker's actions at all?

She was proudly supporting a sign saying death to terfs. So are you saying the police person was not a transactivist but a GC activist? Seems sus to me

An extremist. Does not speak for all trans people, just as many cultures, identities, constituencies or populations are not all represented by their most rabid fundamentalist members.

So why are the trans community not decrying his actions?

I agree.

Hence, why I am interested to know why posters think it is relevant who was holding the sign?

Because I don't believe that they have realised the lack of symmetry that it shows that we have pointed out before. They also don't seem to be able to acknowledge the acts of intimidation and threats when it is people that we can only really point out that they support (due to the lack of acknowledgment of what Baker was doing in the video) do something similar.

The lack of symmetry is always an interesting point of discussion.

The cop posed for a quick selfie without reading the sign. The GC activist who entrapped them got what they wanted and scurried off to blog about it.

The poster upthread who interpreted this photo as “evidence” of a trans threat fell for this deception hook, line and sinker.

Yet you are telling us that we are bigoted, hate filled, segregationist and apartheid'ist' for not welcoming extremists like this onto our sex specific spaces.

So what does that make you?

I can think of some words.

And why do so many of them appear to share his views?

Signs such as 'depcapitate Terfs' are not a rare occurrence, nor are they widely condemned.

So I don't believe that these are fringe views at all.

Helleofabore · Today 16:46

I was offering to collate the many many videos and selfies of male people with transgender identities that are taken in female single sex spaces that in and of themselves, without even needing words, are public acts of intimidation towards female people. That many of them also contain threats is just par for the course.
There is a reason that female people don't want any male people above about 8-10 years old in their single sex spaces.

@Helleofabore - I think starting a new thread on this, just with a handfuli of images, woudl be very useful... I point newbies (ie post SC) in the direction of terfisaslur and now of course SJ Baker... but if you were up for this, I think that would be very powerful... especially UK recent ones. For me, it was the sight of a certain transmale with a beard in a US refuge that was when I peaked in 2017....

no… the police person is a transactivist. Otherwise there would have been a fulsome apology. There was not. And to be fair, it’s not the most extreme sign a transactivist has been seen holding is it? Maybe that should have been the clue it wasn’t a genuine TRA sign. There was no rape or death threat. It was a bit too tame to be genuine TRA material.

Well, yes look if you guys wanna invite a dude onto the bus who spends his time dressing up as a trans person to ?get a photo with the police and then write about it at length? fair dos.

I don’t think he’s for me, but you do you

Many do decry SJB’s actions. Absolutely in no way speaking for all or even a majority of transpeople.

But you still want us to accept SJB into our spaces, right?

Nope. Seen no evidence of that. Maybe you could drop some links in case I’ve missed them. In fact. SJB led a protest this weekend. Seemed very accepted by the community to me.

Care to point out where I 'fell for this deception hook, line and sinker'?

You seem to have made more than one false accusation about my posts on this thread today. This accusation is also wrong. I regularly read Harry's twitter. The point behind posting the tweet remains that the police officer's don't seem to take threats to women seriously, quite the opposite it seems.

How do we keep Sarah Jane Baker out of women's spaces then?

Oddly, I can't find any comment by Northumbria Police saying"Our officer was ambushed, we do not agree with the slogan on that placard".

Mind you, given that the Chief Constable of Northumbria Police is now the subject of a Judicial Review in light of her behaviour, I'm not really surprised. Oh, and the move to have a JR was initiated by a lesbian.

Yes. Because Baker is part of the 'tiny, vulnerable minority'.

I don't think that the message is quite getting processed.

Including any male person who decides that they should have access to female single sex spaces, ie. letting them decide which space they should use, means that Baker will be allowed to use female single sex spaces!

And all the other male people with transgender identities who post threatening and intimidating content on social media, or turn up to women's events and continue to intimidate female people.

All the while, if a women posted threats in the same way, they could very likely end up with a hate crime conviction. Because that is another bit of assymetry in this situation. And if a woman did post a threat that directly threatened a named person, telling them to be 'afraid', I would be saying this is frightfully wrong.