To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

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I feel, as a FWR lurker, that I would have seen linked articles to bank up the fact that trans identifying men aren't safe in men's loos, and therefore that's the rational why women should budge up and accept trans identifying men in their spaces.

I'm pretty sure with a quick Google I could fund evident that trans identity men have made women's spaces unsafe (Kate delowski? The one who worked for a charity and made a masturbation video).

So AIBU to wonder what hard evidence there is?

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Wait, are you claiming that Sarah Jane Baker and his band of merry moob flashers are not trans woman but are transphobic infiltrators?

Wowsers.

No it’s the second link, which the poster referred to quite specifically and which you all seem intent on ignoring

I wish people would read things rather than just parroting stuff. She wasn’t attacked for being trans, looking trans, or because she was confused with a trans person. She also wasn’t attacked in a toilet.

She was attacked by two MEN after LEAVING a toilet. They asked if she was a lesbian, so they knew she was female. When she said yes, they then attacked her. It was an act of homophobia and male violence.

So, ironically, the story you misunderstood and used to support your point does the opposite. It shows women are unsafe around men. Trans women are biological men. Trans women commit offences at the same rates as men, not women. They commit sexual offences at much higher rates than men who are not trans. My source for this is the UK government’s own recent statistics on trans offending rates. Give it a google.

Oh so a trans woman murderer on licence telling women to be afraid and you reap what you sow, for daring to want to protect women's single sex spaces is considered fine by the trans community then?

I have no idea whether the person in the second link is an infiltrator or not because I don't know who it is.

But I do know that Sarah Jane Baker is a violent man who is publicly inciting violence against women for wanting single sex spaces.

Which 'you all' seem intent on ignoring.

Infiltrating Pride events with signs designed to make trans people look bad isn't really something gender critical feminists do.

Apart from anything else, trans activists don't need anyone else's help to look bad.

Baker's Wikipedia entry is nauseating.

It describes him as the longest serving trans prisoner and tries to effect a brave freedom fighter vibe.

He's not Nelson fucking Mandela. He was convicted of attempted murder, among other things.

So how do you know that person was a transphobic infiltrator and not a transperson? I mean, are you saying all the rape threats, death threats, assaults and signs threatening death, pain and rape to women who do not agree with trans ideology are the work of infiltrators? In that case, why is the trans community not shouting from the rooftops and in all media outlets condemning and decrying these “infiltrators “?

And why are politicians posing for selfies with them?

If there's no right way to be a man or a woman, in what way is a transwoman a woman? What 'womanning' are they doing?

They're not a woman by biology. And if there's no right way to act out being a woman, what is it they're doing that makes them a woman?

Either you think being a woman means being an adult human female. Or, you think being a woman means acting out sexist stereotypes of what women wear and like. What other ways are there?

Did you actually read the post that was linked to the sign that you are now referring to?

Can you explain what the relevance of your post in relation to the original post being referred to, ie. my post? Would you like to explain what anyone is ignoring and would you like to comment on Sarah Baker's threats?

Would you also like us to provide many more photographed and video'd acts of threats and intimidation made by male people with transgender identities (you know the 'tiny, vulnerable group'?

We can even specifically tailor them to be only made towards female people if you like? It will take less than five minutes to accumulate a lot of them. Published by the very people, specifically male people, demanding access to female single sex spaces based on their philosophical belief. Just let us know and I know I am happy to oblige.

Just in case you failed to understand the original point being made and how irrelevant who the person was that was holding the sign compared to the police officer who allowed themselves to have a photo taken with a sign that called for women to be afraid? I mean... I can explain the relevance in more depth if you wish. Just ask.

Are these all infiltrators too?

https://terfisaslur.com/

The point of the second link was actually about the police officer who willingly had his photo taken with someone carrying that sign.

It is actually not relevant who the person holding the sign is. It is the action of the police officer.

But the person who tried to distract from the original point being Baker directly threatening wome, did in fact ignore the original point. To go for a gotcha that was irrelevant to the topic of the post.

So if there is no “right” way to be a man or woman why do you think that a man dressing like a woman becomes a woman, rather than that man just being a non-conforming man?

Surely if you agree that there is no right way to be a man or woman then you must accept that you can’t identify into either of those categories because there is no way to adequately do it “right”. You just are, you are male or female, man or woman. You might be a woman who wears joggers and hoodies and gets an undercut, you might be a man who’s fabulous at eyeliner and walking in heels, you might be a woman who sometimes likes a rockabilly petticoats look and other days feels more like a greaser in a leather jacket and drainpipe jeans, but however you do it you remain what you are and always have been.

Respectfully, having engaged with you before, I do not need you to explain anything to me, though I appreciate the offer

Well, this is an excellent point.

But I was offering to collate the many many videos and selfies of male people with transgender identities that are taken in female single sex spaces that in and of themselves, without even needing words, are public acts of intimidation towards female people. That many of them also contain threats is just par for the course.

There is a reason that female people don't want any male people above about 8-10 years old in their single sex spaces.

So, you just missed the point of the original post and decided to attempt to shame women who you believed to be doing something wrong with the false accusation?

Good to know.

Ok this is amazing though ‘it’s actually about the police officer not the GC person who’s posing as a trans rights activist’

I don't think you've engaged with me before @Horseebooks

Can you tell me if you believe that Sarah Jane Baker's threats of violence to specific women who have stood up for women's single sex spaces is acceptable or not?

Because you appear to be ignoring that entirely.

Please describe how I shamed you. I politely declined your invitation

And I agree with others, how did the person be judged as being 'transphobic'? By which criteria? Or was it hangry's personal criteria for judging transphobia?

Better things to do sorry! Enjoy yourselves

How do you know that is not a transactivist? I mean holding a sign up saying women need to be afraid doesn’t seem very GC? What makes you think that is not a transactivist?

It's a very valid point.

Say it is a gender critical feminist (LOL of course it bloody isn't) pretending to be a trans activist threatening women.

Why is a member of the police (whose salaries are paid from, among others, gender critical feminists' taxes) endorsing this message?

Aren't they supposed to be catching violent thugs and putting them in jail, rather than buddying up to them?

"No it’s the second link, which the poster referred to quite specifically and which you all seem intent on ignoring"

So, you didn't intend to shame women with this post then?

Good to know that wasn't your intention, but it can certainly be interpreted as an intention to accuse women of 'ignoring' a point that you felt was relevant.