Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

The ones I know voted Leave, to destabilise the Union, because they fell for lies, because God told them to, they saw criminal benefits or because they were racist.

Most people did not vote Leave for animal welfare reasons FFS.🙈

You are wrong (Google is a wonderful thing !)

He defected to the Lib Dems because he was thrashed by the Labour candidate Veronical Hardstaff in the 1994 EU election.in Lincolnshire & Humberside South. this was under a "First past the post" system.

He went off to lick his wounds for a while then came back as a Lib Dem and was voted in by the East Midlands in 2004.
That was under a Proportional Representational system.

Did you vote in the referendum @brexitbarbie?

The last leg of the loans. Greece paid off the IMF in 2022 and by 2024 had paid 22 billion with the rest aimed for 2031, 10 years earlier than the agreed 2041. All bailout loans came with interest.

You really do cherry pick to suit your narrative don't you.

Not "cherry-picking" - facts.

The loan is due to be paid by 2031 - fact.

Do you have a problem with facts ?

Isn't that obvious?

No, otherwise I wouldn't be asking

"Most people did not vote Leave for animal welfare reasons FFS."

You can't base that statement on what a few people said, that's ridiculous.

That's my business.

You are very cagey and evasive on your motives for coming on this thread.

This is a discussion thread. - admittedly with a rather silly title - so people come to discuss.

I didn't know a motive was required 🤔

Are you worried that I'm a Putin plant ?

They won't have a free choice. The US will insist it is not labelled, and it will be used in restaurants where customers won't know what they are eating.

There is lots of data on why people voted Leave. I will ping you some links later, if you promise to actually look at them.

I am not worried whether or not you are a Putin plant, but good of you to acknowledge that he is a Brexit supporter.

brexitbarbie · Today 15:31

++LOANS. Eu citizens didn't pay. They were loans, but you know that.++

Which won't be paid back until 2031

So, you agree they are loans which have, or will be paid back. Initially, your implication was that the money was a gift, now you're using the non sequitur that they don't fave to make the final payment for a few years.

What's your point? A country borrowed money and is paying it back, therefore, the EU is a Marxist dictatorship, or some other barmy fever dream?

"They won't have a free choice. The US will insist it is not labelled, and it will be used in restaurants where customers won't know what they are eating."

USDA's (United States Department of Agriculture) final “Product of USA” rule allows the voluntary “Product of USA” or “Made in the USA” label claim to be used on meat, poultry and egg products only when they are derived from animals born, raised, slaughtered and processed in the United States.

The vast majority of beef in the United States is wet aged, because large packing plants cannot store whole carcasses or primals for extended periods of time, and it is much easier to store vacuum-packaged cuts. However, the flavour between wet and dry aged beef is distinctively different.

Those people I know who have eaten USA beef tell me it tastes crap. Not a patch on Irish beef.
So I would suspect that people will only eat it once !

(As i don't eat meat it doesn't actually matter to me)

I can base it on the reasons people gave at the time. Animal welfare was a concern for very few Brexiteers.

You'd remember, if you were there.

I didnt know anything about the live import of animals from Australia/NZ so I stand corrected if you are right on that one. But unless you negotiated the Australia/NZ trade deals, the other comment was not about you and, IMO still stands. It was a dreadful deal for the UK because the British negotiators basically caved, so desperate were they to prove they could do trade deals outside of the EU.

As there is such a huge need closer to home, what advantage is there for Australia to send their produce across the world to Britain when Australia’s Asian neighbours and the Middle East will buy everything Australia has with less hassle, distance, time, Suez fees, freightage and effort?

World bodies determine prices, Australia makes no more by sending their produce further, so why?

There isn’t really any advantage to Australia, is there? In fact, most of us don’t understand why Australia would want to go through all the extra hassle anyway.

Yes, the UK is Australia’s friend and all that, but that friendship was thrown under the bus when we joined the Common Market decades before Brexit happened. The UK has a long history of ignoring Australia, but in this new era of Brexit and AUKUS, things might be different
For whatever reason, Australia’s government is willing, but the UK needs to make it as easy and profitable as possible. And that means removing the tariffs so Australian produce is not taxed extra just because it can be. Which they are doing, because they want Australia’s produce.

Australia is not getting anything from the UK but straight up trade with no penalties.

You're completely missing a really obvious point. I'm not talking about the kind of meat you buy in packets in supermarket. I'm talking about the kind of meat you would get in restaurants, all across the scale except for probably the very top. No origin labelling. No idea what you're eating. No recourse. The restaurant knows - but are they going to tell their customers?

While I'm at it, some data on why people voted Leave:
https://www.essex.ac.uk/research/showcase/why-britain-really-voted-to-leave-the-european-union

And this one: https://media.ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CSI-Brexit-4-People%E2%80%99s-Stated-Reasons-for-Voting-Leave.pdf

There's lots more where that came from, but it's pretty clear that animal welfare was not the top priority. We knew that already.

I haven't missed any point.

Where do you think the meat in restaurants comes from? None of them will buy a side of beef and carve it. They buy the most popular cuts.

US beef is crap. (This is what my meat-eating friends who visit USA tell me)
It tastes different to UK or Irish beef. It's from corn-fed animals so more "marbling" - ie intramuscular fat, which is obvious to anyone. (This is one reason why USA has such a high rate of heart disease)
Grass-fed beef, (UK) is leaner overall, and may have a higher concentration of healthy omega-3 fatty acids. So more healthy,

Customers are only going to eat US beef once, unless they want to be a candidate for this month's lucky heart attack.

As there is such a huge need closer to home, what advantage is there for Australia to send their produce across the world

Anyone told the UK? Huge market on the doorstep.

The EU can export livestock to the UK.

There is a ban on all meat and cheese being brought in by visitors from the EU at the moment, because of the danger of Foot & Mouth disease.

There is a ban on live exports to and from the UK.

In addition there have been recent confirmed cases of FMD in several European countries, including Germany, Hungary, and Slovakia.

So what you suggest isn't going to happen.

More info here - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foot-and-mouth-disease-latest-situation#cases