To Bring back Tony Blair As PM ?

[Swirlythingy2025]

basically His experience could be valuable in navigating the current complex geopolitical challenges especially at the moment.

Yes you’ve summed it up well

Seconded

The 2008 crash had its roots long before Brown was chancellor. It started with the deregulation of banks under the conservative government, and was also a global issue. Any chancellor would have ended up in the same position, but the U.K. under Brown recovered more quickly than many other countries .

What, and navigate us straight into another foreign war as the USA's little dog? All whilst grinning away..

Because the Middle East was completely stable before the Iraq war? You don’t remember the Gulf War under Major? Where the US had to bribe Israel not to retaliate to missile strikes, or the rest of the Middle East would pull their support. The Iran Iraq war where the US was funding one side for their own benefit (but also funded the other side for their on benefit)? The Middle East hadn’t been politically stable since long before the Iraq war.

Any other prime minister of any other party would have supported the US in the war. It arose from the deadliest and most significant terrorist attacks on US soil. There is no world where the U.K. stood back when asked for help from the US. Bush Jr was the architect of the Iraq War, he’d been desperate to go in and clean up after daddy Bush Snr screwed up and didn’t remove Saddam the first time round.

Any other prime minister of any other party would have supported the US in the war.

Indeed. And Howard said as much, as well as directing his MPs to vote for it.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

All that money he made from his petrochemical investments. Clearly unrelated to any decision he made regarding the war though 🤔

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Truss, surely she could have another crack at it?
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The decision he made that was supported by the Tories who would have made the same one 🤔

I was too young to vote for Blair or have much understanding of everything but my dad is similar to your dad in regards to his pension. He won't even mention Gordon's Brown name in our house due to the impact it had on his pension.

It still seems like a huge coincidence that someone decides to go to war despite knowing full well that there were no WMD when they stand to make millions from their investments as a result. I think the FT did an article estimating that his personal wealth increased by >£10m as a result of the war.

Other leaders who said that they would have gone to war were not necessarily in possession of the information that Blair was, had they been, they may have made different choices.

Oh the horror!

Eeek

Yep

It arose from the deadliest and most significant terrorist attacks on US soil.

And Saddam Hussain had nothing to do with it. He wasn't a nice man, but he kept Iraq stable.

Agreed. It was Western intervention in Lybia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan & Syria that destabilised the entire Middle East.

Howard was quite clear he would have made the decision Blair did in the absence of WMD. He says so in as many words in the article I posted.

That only makes him as big a (four letter word) as Bliar then.

It makes it clear that we’d have been engaged in the war regardless of who was PM. 🤷‍♀️

@Blossomtoes Which makes it such a worry that we have as many lunatics running the Country.

Yes, obviously everyone’s mad except you.

He would also have been wrong to do so. To be honest, it is very easy for those in opposition to say what they would / would not do. They were never tested. Blair was, and made the decision in order to line his own pockets.

No, per my previous post, many opposition leaders have made statements about what they would do should they be elected. Many never actually get tested, and those who do often choose a different path. This thread is probably originated based on the belief that Starmer has done similar (not a position I hold, although I didn't vote for him. Full Fact actually has Labour as doing quite well against their manifesto promises).

I will not believe in democracy until Blair and Johnson are both in prison.

but thats not democracy

It would be if they were tried in court for lying to the public and to parliament in the massive ways they both did. If it’s somehow in the public interest that people with much less responsibility than them are be jailed for lying about who was driving a speeding car, it’s definitely in the public interest that those lying fuckers are tried, prosecuted and imprisoned.