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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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MeridianB · 19/05/2025 07:11

So you know he’s flexible to take holiday and hasn’t fallen out with anyone. Could there be financial issues? Or TTC issues (hence wife not coming)?

But mostly, don’t tie yourself in knots trying to figure out what his issue is - just ask him to be honest and take it from there.

If the answer is that he just can’t be bothered with the additional travel then you can decide if it’s really worth it to lose a day in a hotel at Heathrow.m

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:14

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 07:07

Also OP, absolutely not a pile on, I get that your brother's behaviour and silence is baffling, but from your posts I get strong vibes that the needs of children must always take precedence over the childfree.

Like there's repeated endless paragraphs & paragraphs about your circumstances like your kids and surgery, but when someone posits something could be going on on your brother's side, you immediately dismiss it with airy handwaves and definitive statements. The contrast is VERY apparent.

It's like you constantly write them off as having a perfect, easy lifestyle, even with their work & her being physically unable to conceive as you say (I know lots of people are 100% happily childfree but as you say you're not even close to her, are you sure you have the full story) and everything.

As you say, your brother and wife are older and of course any couples, especially older couples, could be facing their own issues whether physical, mental, relationships, ageing, etc. Or even just have their own strong preferences every now and then. They are human after all...

As a matter of common sense ofc, I think kids' needs > childfree... but I can understand why those without children might get irritated, especially after a long while of this. I wonder if there is any history you can consider about your past catch-ups – have they always gone your way? – or if not, if you could make some space for the thought that they too may be facing constraints and factors now even without children.

Edited

No because I asked my brother as I already posted and he said he ‘just didn’t want to.’ It’s easier for him and his wife to fly in and out of London and she will go to her London office in the day. I would not consider anyone in their 40s older. Again they fly in and out of the UK frequently, their health is good. We don’t have a nasty relationship so we do speak about things going on in each others lives. She CHOSE to not have children so had a tubal! She physically cannot conceive because they took permanent measures. I’m not sure why people won’t believe they are genuinely child free and happy with it. She’s said it to me many times, as has he. I saw them a lot before we emigrated and they are older than me so spoke openly about these things. They are happy with their life. Again this is our first trip back and so no there can’t be any annoyance about putting our children first because before moving we visited them as much as they did us. They also didn’t live abroad before we moved.

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Mydietstartstomorrow · 19/05/2025 07:15

RawBloomers · 19/05/2025 05:21

I can see why you don’t want to do the London lunch given your tight timeline. It’s too much travel for too little time with your brother. Take you most of a day for a couple of hours.

But I think objecting to Heathrow, if he will turn up and meet you for before you go through security or something seems unreasonable (assuming flight isn’t at 7 am or something!). You can have a meal at Heathrow as much as you can in central London.

You have not been back and visited your family at all for 4(?) years, but your brother has done the trip ~10 times. It’s unreasonable to expect him to conform to your timetable because it’s convenient for you.

What’s with the “4(?) years”?! Do you understand how expensive it is to visit from Australia and with 2 young children? Her db lives 2 hours flight away there is a difference!

I would be saying to your db “I’m here for these dates, you’re more than welcome to join us, would love to see you, be gutted if we don’t catch up, but understand if it doesn’t fit for you” and leave it in his corner to sort, he’s got a year to!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:15

MeridianB · 19/05/2025 07:11

So you know he’s flexible to take holiday and hasn’t fallen out with anyone. Could there be financial issues? Or TTC issues (hence wife not coming)?

But mostly, don’t tie yourself in knots trying to figure out what his issue is - just ask him to be honest and take it from there.

If the answer is that he just can’t be bothered with the additional travel then you can decide if it’s really worth it to lose a day in a hotel at Heathrow.m

He said it was that and that he sees our family so often he wasnt bothered about coming to see everyone in the family and I did say no but we are going to be there, that is the main reason for you to come.

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Whyherewego · 19/05/2025 07:15

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:52

Thank you this is helpful! We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not. If not then it’s helpful to know the options thank you!

If your flight is 1130 am and you're 4 hours drive away then you're going to have to do this anyway tbh

JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch · 19/05/2025 07:20

I think it depends on what he is like normally / whether this fits a pattern of entitled behaviour. If it doesn't then you can only suggest things that work for you and hope one will work.

I wonder if he / his wife have had a health scare, or there's something else going on that makes them reluctant?

HotHoney · 19/05/2025 07:20

It can’t be all on your terms.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:22

Zapx · 19/05/2025 06:58

Wow could be so much going on here.

I think if SIL is planning on trying to be working in London when you meet your brother, then that’s probably tells you everything you need to know. She doesn’t want to see you for whatever reason. He’s trying to stay in London too, as that’s where she will be, so they can travel/be together?

The driving thing is probably relevant.

Do you happen to know if you are your parent’s favourite? I adore my brother, but he is the lesser-seen sibling (!), and if I want to see him it’s often better to see him without my parents being there. Whenever he turns up at theirs I need to remember to bring the red carpet 🤣

Absolutely not!! We joke our middle brother is ABSOLUTELY mummy’s precious prince 😆😆 I get on with my SIL too. We just aren’t super close but there’s no animosity there!! She does have to go to her London office sometimes too but we are a bit confused she wouldn’t want to see us. Maybe she doesn’t like us? 😆😆 But my brother hasn’t said and we have been told once my children are older we can go and visit them so don’t think it’s that? I’d hope! She more just isn’t super close with our family if that makes sense. I’m close with my husbands sisters but not my BIl so I could see me not going to meet him if they were going to see each for the first time in several years.

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Ellmau · 19/05/2025 07:22

Could you leave the holiday let a day early, have two nights at Heathrow, and meet your DB for the day in Windsor?

PurpleThistle7 · 19/05/2025 07:23

I think he was really clear that this isn’t a priority for him and that’s a good enough answer. You are pushing him and it won’t go well. Even if you convince him to come everyone will know he doesn’t want to be there so that’s an unfortunate start to a holiday.

Honestly just give up on it now - you told him what you’re doing and he said no thank you. The only part you can control is where you go from here. For people who immigrate (like me), it’s important to remember that everyone else also has their own lives to lead and can’t just drop everything because I’ve decided to visit. I put myself out of their lives in my choice to live overseas and that means a lot of different things.

But I absolutely wouldn’t meet him in London or Heathrow with the kids. It will not be fun, you’ll be annoyed, the kids will be exhausted and nothing good will come from it.

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 07:24

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:07

Thank you! And our plan was to check out of the holiday let and then drive up to Heathrow, drop off hire car etc and get to the hotel around 7pm which is then dinner and bed for my children. The hotel isn’t at Heathrow but close by. So would mean meeting for a late dinner with all our bags and things if we did it the night before. The morning of won’t work as it would be too early and my brother is trying to fly in and back out again.

Why not keep the children up a bit later and meet with him when you get to Heathrow? Their schedules are going to be all over the place anyway once they’ve flown back to Australia.
You're coming across as very rigid. Can you not compromise?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:24

JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch · 19/05/2025 07:20

I think it depends on what he is like normally / whether this fits a pattern of entitled behaviour. If it doesn't then you can only suggest things that work for you and hope one will work.

I wonder if he / his wife have had a health scare, or there's something else going on that makes them reluctant?

It does! He is extremely rigid and ironically when he visits the UK everyone has to fit to his plans 😆

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:25

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 07:24

Why not keep the children up a bit later and meet with him when you get to Heathrow? Their schedules are going to be all over the place anyway once they’ve flown back to Australia.
You're coming across as very rigid. Can you not compromise?

Why can’t my brother? All this talk of me being rigid. We had a plan my brother has now changed and now I’m expected to change our plans and put my kids under more stress and I’m rigid?

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RegularAmericano · 19/05/2025 07:26

I understand your point of view OP. I’d be hurt too. If not for you he could at least have made the effort for his young niece/nephew who he is yet to meet.

In your situation, I would say a bright and breezy “okay no problem. You know where we will be if you change your mind.”

AndrogynousElf · 19/05/2025 07:26

Does he ever go and visit family without his wife? Sometimes men just defer all family arranging to their parters. So if she’s not organising, then he won’t do it. Or will just do bare minimum.

Don’t know why people are being so weird on this thread. If I had a family member visiting from abroad, I’d make the effort.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 07:26

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:39

We are also anxious about driving in the Uk …having not driven there in several years and being in a hire car. He does drive abroad where they live and in the UK when they come back but he will defer to his wife a LOT for anything

But it's your choice to drive in the UK! Honestly, the more you post the more it seems its all about you. And why something is difficult for you, but your brother should go out of his way (when it's sounds he already is)

Hollietree · 19/05/2025 07:30

All of your messages are “but me me me, woe is me” Quite angry and defensive in tone. Every time someone kindly tries to offer you a suggestion/compromise/solution - you reply bluntly no…. and here’s my excuse as to why it has to be all my way.

I suggest you read all of your messages back yourself and really look at what you are saying and how it reads to someone else. I don’t imagine you are doing it on purpose, but it might help you to read them back subjectively and imagine they were written by someone else. It might help you understand how you come across to others (particularly your brother, if you are responding to him in the same way).

FrenchandSaunders · 19/05/2025 07:32

10 days in a holiday cottage with parents and grandparents is a lot!

I’d be quite pleased to break it up with a trip to London.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 07:32

Hollietree · 19/05/2025 07:30

All of your messages are “but me me me, woe is me” Quite angry and defensive in tone. Every time someone kindly tries to offer you a suggestion/compromise/solution - you reply bluntly no…. and here’s my excuse as to why it has to be all my way.

I suggest you read all of your messages back yourself and really look at what you are saying and how it reads to someone else. I don’t imagine you are doing it on purpose, but it might help you to read them back subjectively and imagine they were written by someone else. It might help you understand how you come across to others (particularly your brother, if you are responding to him in the same way).

💯

CutFlowers · 19/05/2025 07:33

I would meet your brother for lunch near Heathrow and then check into your hotel afterwards (at 4pm). You could probably meet at the hotel restaurant for lunch. All this he will have to find flights that fit in with us arriving after 4pm and get home on the same day is very strange. You don't seem to want to make any effort to see him at all.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 19/05/2025 07:35

Hi brother, I appreciate that you don’t want to keep coming back home as it’s a longer journey. Could you not change the dates of one of your other trips home, so it’s not an extra visit? Especially as we have the holiday let this time? Unfortunately due to DH work we have very limited time for this trip and would like as much time with the grandparents as possible. If it doesn’t work for you this time then no worries.

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 07:35

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:08

2 weeks off work is a considerable chunk of time for most employers. I don’t think attacking my partner is necessary.

She didn’t attack your partner! She pointed out that people have different life circumstances and priorities!

I thought you were being reasonable at first but now I think you are being really unreasonable based on your responses to a lot of valid points raised on this thread. You don’t seem to be able to see anything beyond your own point of view. Of course your perspective makes sense from your point of view, but you are only looking at your brother’s circumstances from the outside “he does this several times a year, for others etc”.

Your brother is flying all the way to UK just to see you and your family . Thats significant travel investment and expense. Thats so lovely. Stop making all these assumptions and judgements about what extra he can and should be doing so easily, he’s already committing a lot just to see you.

Totally understandable that London doesn’t work for your family , and it sounds like Heathrow may not either. You have to figure out what your priorities are here, and make your decisions.

Peacepleaselouise · 19/05/2025 07:36

Sorry DB, we aren’t able to do any more travelling as it’s such a long journey from Australia already. We would really love to see you at the holiday cottage in [location] but we understand if that’s not possible for you. Much love, DS

Someonelookedatmypostinghistorysoichanged · 19/05/2025 07:37

Yabu - big family gatherings limited conversation because everyone speaks at once and you can’t really talk that much ime. You mention “oh but the children” so so many times, you travel all the way across the globe and then moan at a couple of hours! Sounds like he wants to spend quality time with you, and not the bundle of people in one house.

everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 07:37

If you are going to Heathrow the afternoon/evening before you fly back anyway and he is proposing meeting you at Heathrow, is there really any problem here at all?

Can’t you just meet in your hotel?

You could just aim to get there for 2pm not 4pm?