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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:42

ArtfulTaupeGoose · 19/05/2025 08:41

So your brother is flying back to the UK to see you, and you're still unhappy!!

I really dont get the drama!! Hes offered to meet you (at a place you need to be at anyway). He's flying over at his cost and giving up his time.

My brother lives in Portugal, so I understand the coordination needed to meet, but you sound quite entitled.

Just because he doesn't have children doesn't mean he doesn't have commitments.

Meet him at Heathrow, it'll be easier anyway if your flight is 11.30 the next day, as you'd have to leave the holiday let so early

READ THE THREAD

OP posts:
Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:42

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:41

Precisely so why can’t my brother also travel? Also if you read the thread it’s basically resolved

He is travelling. He is flying to see you

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:43

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:41

Precisely so why can’t my brother also travel? Also if you read the thread it’s basically resolved

I'm so glad 😊

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:43

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:36

Now you're going to Heathrow

A few posts ago you were telling people that it was dreadfully unreasonable and hurtful and lacking empathy and all other emotional words that people should expect you go there any earlier than your flight

You are honestly exhausting. Read the thread and maybe learn how to be a pleasant human?

OP posts:
tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 08:43

Diarygirlqueen · 19/05/2025 07:38

I think most of these responses are ridiculous.
You have given your brother a year in advance notice that you're coming, a place he travels to twice yearly.
Its obvious from some of these replies that they've never travelled from Australia especially with young children! The jetlag is horrendous.
Your brother should be making more of an effort. I would be really hurt.
Personally, I would just say that's fine he can't meet up and hope to see you the next time we visit. Spend time with your parents and grandparents and don't let this derail your visit. Facetime him etc when you get there.
Trying to accommodate meeting him will spoil your trip and don't underestimate how exhausted you will be!

I frequently travel from the same APAC region to the UK, about 14 hrs journey. I understand why OP's pissed off – I would be too.

But I think what's striking me about her post is the determination to not even consider that her brother may have his own consideration and issues going on – she keeps writing how perfect and happy their life is. Even living in the same country (which she isn't) how can you be so sure you know the ins and outs of your grown siblings' family lives?! It doesn't have to be anything big or tragic but at least stop to wonder about their possible perspective(s), even for just a few minutes, before dismissing it airily like she does.

In contrast she writes literal paragraphs about how hard her life is. A poster mentioning the other perspective is "attacking" her husband. Again I'm not just piling on but pointing out a possible issue here. I think the issue is likely both sides' attitudes.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:44

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:43

You are honestly exhausting. Read the thread and maybe learn how to be a pleasant human?

You're the one who is SHOUTING AT PEOPLE

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:44

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:42

He is travelling. He is flying to see you

Yes and we are also travelling. Magically we are both going on aeroplanes. Read the thread or find something better to do with your time I guess

OP posts:
soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:44

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:35

Excuse you? Refusing to drive to see anyone? Where did you get that? We will be driving. Hence the hire car. In fact we will be driving to see my brother at Heathrow airport! 😆

You're going to Heathrow for your flight home though, so its not a different trip.

Also public transport and cabs do exist.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:45

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:44

You're going to Heathrow for your flight home though, so its not a different trip.

Also public transport and cabs do exist.

And also driving in the UK! And it’s still travel. But that travel doesn’t count for some reason but my brothers flight does? Make it make sense. It’s basically resolved. Why cant people read the thread

OP posts:
Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:43

You are honestly exhausting. Read the thread and maybe learn how to be a pleasant human?

I'm not sure if you are mixing me up with someone else

I literally never said if you loved your grandparents more, you'd be here? I wouldn't (i live in a different county to my grandparents!)

I have read the thread. I was commenting that you are now driving to Heathrow, but before hand you were saying that you didn't wish to drive any earlier in response to someone commenting about driving. That's literally what played out in this thread?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:46

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:44

You're the one who is SHOUTING AT PEOPLE

Shouting through the post? You are one of the posters who is deliberately obtuse and it’s boring. Read the thread, it’s resolved,

OP posts:
Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 19/05/2025 08:47

He’s said what he’s prepared to do, so you need to work with that. You can feel disappointed, but you can’t control him or force him to change his mind. He’s offering to meet at Heathrow so meet him at Heathrow for a coffee. It is what it is.

S0j0urn4r · 19/05/2025 08:47

"Sorry you can't make it to the cottage, Bro. See you next time."

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:47

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 08:43

I frequently travel from the same APAC region to the UK, about 14 hrs journey. I understand why OP's pissed off – I would be too.

But I think what's striking me about her post is the determination to not even consider that her brother may have his own consideration and issues going on – she keeps writing how perfect and happy their life is. Even living in the same country (which she isn't) how can you be so sure you know the ins and outs of your grown siblings' family lives?! It doesn't have to be anything big or tragic but at least stop to wonder about their possible perspective(s), even for just a few minutes, before dismissing it airily like she does.

In contrast she writes literal paragraphs about how hard her life is. A poster mentioning the other perspective is "attacking" her husband. Again I'm not just piling on but pointing out a possible issue here. I think the issue is likely both sides' attitudes.

I’m meeting my brother at Heathrow. And his life is fine, we have checked! But sure make up a reason. He just doesn’t want to go stay with everyone

OP posts:
soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:44

Yes and we are also travelling. Magically we are both going on aeroplanes. Read the thread or find something better to do with your time I guess

I think the point the poster was making was in response to you saying about your brother 'why cant he travel'

And the answer is, he is travelling, he is travelling to see you.

So why did you write about your brother as if he is not travelling.

I think other posters have identified that you spend reams of paragraphs writing about your issues but dismiss the effect on him/others in the family of the trip/journey and that is the actual problem.

RB68 · 19/05/2025 08:51

Sometimes in a short time span even with 12 mths notice you cant do everything. I don't think you are being clear with your brother about your own limitations re injury/surgery and maybe that needs to be made clear. I think you need to make this trip about Grandad and not much else to be honest. I would just say to your brother that if he wants to come out to you guys where you are staying thats fine, if not then you will see him another time. I have to say you sound all about "you" in your arrangements and as others have said it doesn't always fit with others requirements no matter how much notice you give

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:52

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:50

I think the point the poster was making was in response to you saying about your brother 'why cant he travel'

And the answer is, he is travelling, he is travelling to see you.

So why did you write about your brother as if he is not travelling.

I think other posters have identified that you spend reams of paragraphs writing about your issues but dismiss the effect on him/others in the family of the trip/journey and that is the actual problem.

Because his journey is a 2hr flight. And I have small children to consider.

OP posts:
soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 08:53

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:45

And also driving in the UK! And it’s still travel. But that travel doesn’t count for some reason but my brothers flight does? Make it make sense. It’s basically resolved. Why cant people read the thread

I was simply answering your point where you say that you are driving to your brother at Heathrow

You would be driving to heathrow whether he is there or not. You make it sound as if its a special different trip that takes you out of your way. Its not

You have asked a question on AIBU and you dont like the majority of the answers which largely are that you are BU. You're now misrepresenting a lot of replies and changing tact and goalposts in answer to replies.

IAmUsingTheApplauseReactionSarcastically · 19/05/2025 08:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:52

Because his journey is a 2hr flight. And I have small children to consider.

Does he live near the airport?

everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 08:58

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:31

No I made a choice to stay married and have my children have their father or to get divorced and be a single mother. My parents both still work full time. My husband is a good and active, involved father and I love him very much. So it wasn’t much of a choice. It’s hard to explain unless you’ve been faced with it but I think most people would go with their spouse.

I’m sorry OP, I can hear the pain and frustration but several pages in, we have got to the crux of this.

And it is why you are reacting so defensively to the posters saying this is your choice, your consequences.

This is all misdirected emotion.
This is not about your DB or DSiL.

You were forced to move to Australia by your DH. He gave you no consideration or leeway. No compromise. You made a choice but it was an incredibly painful and difficult one, which to be honest I think you now regret and it doesn’t really feel like a choice.

Your “D”H also, having forced you into this, isn’t willing to be accommodating towards your family and your needs. Which are totally reasonable by the way OP. I’m sure you would have spent longer in U.K. on this trip, if you had a choice. But this time, you are limited by the fact that you now have no autonomy to travel on your own, due to your accident and disability. You are reliant on your DH. This is a terrible situation to be in and I am truly sorry for you.

I’m afraid I can’t agree with you that he is a good husband or father.

As another poster suggested, please see a counsellor, on your own, to take time to process all that has happened to you.
💐

1543click · 19/05/2025 09:00

Not sure of the timeline but maybe his wife is pregnant?

Nesbi · 19/05/2025 09:02

If this is resolved but you keep coming back to argue with people it starts to look a bit odd - like deliberately fuelling a fire. We all know how these things go.

Whiteflowerscreed · 19/05/2025 09:02

Princessfluffy · 19/05/2025 05:18

Why not meet him near the airport at the very beginning or very end of your trip? The kids will be happy with an outing to the park.

I agree with this. Can you be a bit more flexible OP? I would book a lounge at Heathrow and have a coffee croissant catch up (lounges are good for kids as they can’t escape)
or a playground near Heathrow.

I also wouldn’t be scared to take a 2 and 6 yo into London personally but I live in the suburbs and have done it hundreds of times without another adult present so perhaps that’s just me.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 09:03

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:44

Yes and we are also travelling. Magically we are both going on aeroplanes. Read the thread or find something better to do with your time I guess

Rude af

Jobsworth7 · 19/05/2025 09:03

1543click · 19/05/2025 09:00

Not sure of the timeline but maybe his wife is pregnant?

Not after a tubal ligation she's not.