Parents hate the Childfree

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Over the past few days there have been several post regarding children for example Our new Neighbours and my loud children and To think it's unacceptable to say you don't like children. in both posts there are hateful comments about Childfree people. The second post in particular never mentioned anything about childfree people but then people started making comments about them. Plenty of parents hate other children despite having them. Why do parents care so much about Childfree people and their choices? Are you jealous? Need validation? Why all the hate? Most importantly will you own up to it?

YABU - I don’t hate the childfree
YANBU - yes I hate the childfree

Err you must be trolling with this comment. You have a child - therefore you are not childfree or childless.
As for being old and lonely: children are not there to be your caregivers when you are lonely! If having a potential caregiver when youre old is your reason for having kids then I feel really really sorry for your child (and any you have in future. Yikes. If you are actually telling the truth with this post please for goodness sakes get yourself some therapy to address why on earth you feel this way. And if you made up this post just to get a rise out of people: for goodness sakes get some therapy to address why on earth you feel the need to behave that way.

What are you on about?! Never in my life have I had a child come to my table in a restaurant trying to grab things and the parents don’t immediately come and apologise & take the child away. This really does not happen. You are making these things up in order to feel superior over today’s “entitled parents”. It’s not entitlement to want to take your child on a nice holiday - it’s a wonderful experience for children - who exist in the world and have just as much right to take up space and breathe air as you do. Babies and toddlers have been on planes since the beginning of planes. This is not a new thing! The fact you refused to take them on a plane even to meet relatives just because you were worried about upsetting other people is extreme. Of course it’s important to teach children manners, to be considerate of other people, and that they are not better than anyone else. But it sounds like you’ve taught them that other people’s comfort is more important than their right to meet their family and to travel. That’s a one-way ticket to low self-esteem/being a doormat IMO.

Lol chill out. It was a JOKE 🙄 you’d know that if you’d read the subsequent post.

I do not care if someone is child-free.

I do care if they are horrible to me and my children because they are child-free.

But let's be frank, that is a small minority of usually mouthy people online. They would probably be equally unpleasant if they have children - just about something else.

Alas I have indeed been at restaurants and experienced children being allowed to run off and go bother strangers at other tables. Last week we were at a restaurant and a child came over and tried to grab a bread roll! I've also been on airplanes where kids are running around with no one supervising them - one tried to grab my iPad once. So this poster is no talking out of turn.

If parents can't control their children and keep them seated at a restaurant then they shouldn't be taking the kiddos to restaurants etc until/unless they can indeed make certain the child can sit quietly and eat their food without bothering others - unless of course it's a restaurant specifically aimed at parents with young children. But even then - it's a safety issue: running around while eating is a choke hazard.

As for the airplane: again, if you can't control your child enough to make sure they stay seated and leave other people alone on the plane, then don't go on an airplane. I have no issue whatsoever with babies crying etc - they can't help it if they are feeling grotty/have painful ears/are out of routine (and noise cancelling headphones are awesome!) but no child should be physically interfering in any way with another person's journey. A parent who can't control a their child in that environment shouldn't be travelling with their kids until they can. And it's perfectly doable: last plane I flew on (a 12 hour journey to the US) there was a lady travelling alone with three children - all were under the age of 8 - one was a baby. All behaved impeccably - they were a total delight - their mum was calm, cool, and clearly well prepared. And was clear with her expectations of her children for how they should behave. And the baby - oh my gosh - a little sweetie - there was a couple of older folks a couple rows down who were clearly grandparents - the gentleman kindly offered to hold the baby while the mum was sorting out the other two with their toys etc - and he was absolutely charming!

Gosh - you are clearly a combative person. If you don't want people to take your posts seriously then put a caveat under them. This is a long thread - you shouldn't expect people to have to read your later-posted explanation for your previous post before replying. You should also know that sarcasm doesn't generally translate too well to written posts. If you intend a post to be a joke or not taken seriously then say so under that post - it's well understood forum etiquette. Plus, your idea of a "joke" could use some work. Alas there are lots of people who do indeed have children because they want caregivers in old age - this is a common reason given by people when they explain why they have kids, or question why other people haven't. And they are being deadly serious.

Funnily enough I've experienced most of the same, from badly behaved adults, drunk on flights, trains, in restaurants, or just rude.

I'd be unreasonable to dislike all adults, and naive not to assume that the badly behaved adults, are the parents of badly behaved children.

Well behaved adults, have well behaved children.

To target children as a whole is ridiculous.

You get what you put in.

Other people having children or not makes no difference to me. Neither side is superior to the other.

But I have had a person comment and ask when I will stop churning them out. I do not have a large family at all. She was just very bitter that her own children's lives weren't working out as she had hoped and they hadn't supplied her with grandchildren.

@Roxietrees What are you on about?! Never in my life have I had a child come to my table in a restaurant trying to grab things and the parents don’t immediately come and apologise & take the child away. This really does not happen. You are making these things up in order to feel superior over today’s “entitled parents”

Yes it does, and no I’m not. Just because you have not had experience of things doesn’t mean they don’t happen, so that’s an odd way you view the world.

I'd be unreasonable to dislike all adults, and naive not to assume that the badly behaved adults, are the parents of badly behaved children

Not always true. For example, children have a lower tolerance for boredom, feel the need to move about and lack impulse control to a point. You can be an extremely well behaved adult but your children will be children and have lower tolerances accordingly. That doesn’t necessarily mean the child is badly behaved per se, just that it is being put in a situation for which it is ill suited such as a restaurant or a flight and thus is displaying situational bad behaviour accordingly (shouting out, wriggling around and kicking seats whilst doing so etc). That still shouldn’t mean that anyone else should have that behaviour forced on them and be made to put up with it because ‘kids’. We didn’t inflict it on others and appreciate the same, then comes the hate from parents carrying on that we don’t understand because we are child free, whereas no, it’s really a case of been there, done that but were not dickheads while doing it.

“Gosh” well aren’t all the best jokes the ones you have to explain 🤣 “caveat” - that was sarcasm.
My original joke wasn’t sarcasm, it was just a plain ‘ol joke.
”Alas” your idea of a sense of humour could use some work

Im childless not child free I suppose could say child free as I’ve made peace with the causes. I find it the opposite. Some of the child free communities are utterly appalling. The Reddit child free sub is disgusting. Years ago it was a nice community but as it’s grown it’s become an awful area full of hate.

You've made quite the leap there to assuming that I dislike all children, and don't dislike adults who behave badly. Seems there's some projection going on in your comment. If you're making assumptions about other views I may have just because I've shared some personal observations then you need to ponder why you are doing that. No where in my comment did I say that adults are permitted to behave badly - but you've decided to go off on a tangent of your own design. Unclear why. Have you been accused of having badly behaved children in the past?

Oh dear - you may need a glass of warm milk and a nap. Hope you feel better soon, bless your heart

No, my children are wonderful, thank you for your interest.
Bless your heart.

If you are being honest @HoppingPavlova , how often has this actually happened to you?

Be honest I said!!

In what way? Like hating parents? Hating children? Sounds bloody awful

Haven't RTFT but no, I don't hate childfree people. It's not like I've had children my entire life. I, too, was once childfree.

And honestly, I don't think there's any right/wrong on either side. As in life, some people are dicks. Some are not. Simple as that.
Some people moan about school traffic after buying a house near a school, some parents park inconsiderably over the people's drives on the school run. Some people moan unreasonably about babies crying on planes (it's public transport! deal with it!) but some parents let their kids run amok in restaurants (I once had a child come over to my table, and empty a pepper pot onto my dinner and the mum could not have cared less).

All this I hate this or that group is seldom fair or helpful in any way.

As in life, some people are dicks. Some are not. Simple as that.

you would think everyone would get this

but nope…. As this thread demonstrates. Such hyperbole and sweeping nonsense

Yes, exactly. And the pepper pot story is entirely true. All I thought to myself was "well that woman is a massive dick" not "all parents of young children are massive dicks" because that's ridiculous.
I think most people reproduce at least once, don't they? It doesn't even make logical sense for them to all be knobs.

Even before I had my own kids, I used to come across crappy parenting. Open, dirty nappies left all over the changing tables in my local public toilet was one. I knew not all parents did that because I knew that it simply wasn't very likely that I would ever think that's acceptable and I can't be the only person in the world who's brain works that way.

Inconsiderate people are very likely going to be inconsiderate in their parenting. Alongside their driving, their behaviour in restaurants, on holiday etc etc

it is not BECAUSE they are parents they are inconsiderate. They are Inconsiderate. Full stop.

The language and terminology they use about parents and children is disgusting.

This!

Sounds terrifying!

give it a wide berth

Yeah it was nice on there about 10 years ago but as it’s grown it’s become a total echo chamber of hateful views. Definitely don’t bother looking.