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Woman declared legally dead is being kept alive due to state’s abortion laws

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 18:02

Anyone see this story?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/pregnant-georgia-woman-brain-dead-abortion-law

TLTR
US women is being kept alive on life support due to abortion laws. Woman was 9 weeks pregnant when she became brain dead. Family have no say in the matter and do not want this. The foetus if it survives may have life long health conditions and suffer from brain damage. Family are also having to pay for medical fees occurred and also for future birth fees.

I am being unreasonable to say WTF. Where is the outcry about this? This actually happened in an episode of The Handmaid’s tale.

YABU - this is the law, law needs to be upheld even after death
YANBU - WTF. Women are not safe even after death.

Pregnant US woman declared brain dead is being kept alive under state abortion law

Doctors are keeping Adriana Smith on life support months after medical emergency until baby is ready, family says

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/pregnant-georgia-woman-brain-dead-abortion-law

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Teisen1990 · 17/05/2025 18:59

I don't think many people would agree that this is 'really' an abortion

In my opinion this is more a grotesque science experiment. Turning off life support is a kindness to this woman keeping her going for months doesn't seem right. How will the child feel raised when it learns of its origins

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:00

JHound · 17/05/2025 18:48

I assume the father was the boyfriend - they mention him at the start.

Ah yes I missed that. I wonder if he’s the father to her other child? Raises all sorts of questions if he was not and to bring up the child separately from her other child.

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JHound · 17/05/2025 19:01

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:52

The left has benefitted from decades of women's rights movements. They should have had women's backs and not left them politically homeless and having to choose between their own fairness and dignity on a daily basis versus some other women's right to an abortion.

Those legislators will never support abortion but the left should have anticipated ways for them to gain support and resisted. They didn't.

So yes the left is the most to blame.

Your reaponses are boring.

Your lack of accountability is boring

Your “Please Your Honour, She made me hit her” is positioning is boring.

Just. Boring.

Lovelysummerdays · 17/05/2025 19:02

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:52

The left has benefitted from decades of women's rights movements. They should have had women's backs and not left them politically homeless and having to choose between their own fairness and dignity on a daily basis versus some other women's right to an abortion.

Those legislators will never support abortion but the left should have anticipated ways for them to gain support and resisted. They didn't.

So yes the left is the most to blame.

I think the conservatives are the most to blame. I do think the left should of codified abortion rights into law. They had the opportunity but preferred to keep the implicit threat dangling to incentivise women to vote for them.

JHound · 17/05/2025 19:05

Lovelysummerdays · 17/05/2025 19:02

I think the conservatives are the most to blame. I do think the left should of codified abortion rights into law. They had the opportunity but preferred to keep the implicit threat dangling to incentivise women to vote for them.

I mean women, especially from some demographics overwhelmingly did vote for them but I don’t think that was the reason they chose not to codify abortion rights - I think they fear the power of conservative voters especially the Evangelical vote. And they mistakenly felt Roe vs. Wade was here for good.
And women who vote democrat appear to do so for far more reasons than just abortion rights.

WhereIsMyJumper · 17/05/2025 19:05

How on earth would letting this woman pass away with some dignity count as an abortion?
If they switch off her life support, they aren’t actively performing a termination?!! I don’t get even the logic behind this, let alone the complete lack of morals

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:06

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 18:43

Can someone medical explain why the baby could have brain/other health issues due to this ? As at 9 weeks a foetus is relatively well protected . Also I’m assuming they can do scans so surely there’s an opportunity soon to ascertain the viability of the foetus ?

I didn’t say it could have health issues because of this, as in only having health issues due to the mother being kept alive. We also don’t know the mother’s health history. It says she had blood clots to the brain so lack of oxygen could may well lead to brain and health issue in the foetus. We can only speculate though.

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diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 19:08

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:06

I didn’t say it could have health issues because of this, as in only having health issues due to the mother being kept alive. We also don’t know the mother’s health history. It says she had blood clots to the brain so lack of oxygen could may well lead to brain and health issue in the foetus. We can only speculate though.

This is what I didn’t understand, is it possible to keep a woman ‘alive’ this long and the foetus can be totally healthy ? Are they saying they baby may have issues because that’s common or is it due to the specifics surrounding the condition that made the mother so unwell. It’s not very clear but maybe it’s designed to be vague ? It seems absurd that the family could be liable for the costs of life support ??!

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:09

I am 100% anti-abortion.

However I cannot see how allowing the woman to die could have been considered an abortion. Are the machines what's keeping her "alive' right now?

I think if everyone involved was in support of this and knew that it's what the woman would have wanted then saving her baby would be miraculous. But that's not the case.

AthWat · 17/05/2025 19:09

blubberyboo · 17/05/2025 18:31

Why do people like you not see that the left are entirely to blame for this in the west?

Women had abortion rights and autonomy over their wombs.

Then the left decided that women couldn't have autonomy over the rest of their bodies when they decide on matters of privacy.

The left should have held the line on sex based protections.

They failed and the right got a way in.

Exactly where in "the west" have the "liberal left" held power and enacted all these things you are concerned about over the last 15 years?

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/05/2025 19:12

The description I saw was the they are using a dead body as an incubator, that is just unspeakable.

BIossomtoes · 17/05/2025 19:12

JHound · 17/05/2025 18:25

What happens if the family refuses to pay the medical costs?

They get sued I’m guessing. The US is absolutely barbaric these days. Land of the free my arse.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:13

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:09

I am 100% anti-abortion.

However I cannot see how allowing the woman to die could have been considered an abortion. Are the machines what's keeping her "alive' right now?

I think if everyone involved was in support of this and knew that it's what the woman would have wanted then saving her baby would be miraculous. But that's not the case.

Yes, it’s the machines that are keeping her alive and are the only reason she is alive right now.

Side note, with you saying you’re 100% anti abortion. What about women who have been brutally raped or gotten pregnant due to incest. What are your thoughts on those women who choose to have abortions?

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Lamelie · 17/05/2025 19:18

Tutorpuzzle · 17/05/2025 18:56

With absolutely respect (honestly, I’m not being snarky) being ‘anti-abortion’, however ‘weakly’ is too simplistic.

If you mean you are anti the provision of safe and legal abortion procedures the only alternative will be those of the back street variety (for those who can’t afford to travel). God knows how many women in the US have risked this recently. Because abortions ain’t going to stop happening, however illegal they’re made.

You’re right. And any political movement which is pro death penalty isn’t acting in good faith. It’s not about the sanctity of life. Hopefully cases like this will lead to more humane laws.

Toddlerteaplease · 17/05/2025 19:18

I don’t understand why this would class as an abortion. The poor woman is dead. And as a result the baby will die as well. That’s different from electively choosing an abortion.

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:19

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:13

Yes, it’s the machines that are keeping her alive and are the only reason she is alive right now.

Side note, with you saying you’re 100% anti abortion. What about women who have been brutally raped or gotten pregnant due to incest. What are your thoughts on those women who choose to have abortions?

As I said, I'm 100% anti-abortion.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:19

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 19:08

This is what I didn’t understand, is it possible to keep a woman ‘alive’ this long and the foetus can be totally healthy ? Are they saying they baby may have issues because that’s common or is it due to the specifics surrounding the condition that made the mother so unwell. It’s not very clear but maybe it’s designed to be vague ? It seems absurd that the family could be liable for the costs of life support ??!

I would say they are being deliberately vague on the things you have mentioned. Anyone who was wanting to investigate would have to look at similar cases and compare but then things like new technology could affect results. The whole case is absurd.

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JustMyView13 · 17/05/2025 19:20

And this is a looking glass into our future if we continue to vote for Reform. Anyone who is a woman, or cares about a woman, should wake up and smell the coffee. Nige thinks the sun shines out of Donny T’s arse. The UK would be following suit under a Reform government.

Toddlerteaplease · 17/05/2025 19:21

BlueyNeedsToFuckOff · 17/05/2025 18:24

Even if someone is anti-abortion, how are they defining this as an abortion? It’s not as though the objective of removing treatment is to end the pregnancy - it’s to allow this poor woman’s body to die as she has long gone from it. Yes, it’s sad that her unborn child will also die - but if the medical expertise wasn’t there to keep bodies going artificially then she and her child would have died naturally months ago.

That says it better than I did. And I’m anti abortion. But this is just not acceptable.

StScholastica · 17/05/2025 19:21

Just horrendous. That poor woman, there is no dignity at all for her.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 19:22

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:19

As I said, I'm 100% anti-abortion.

But surely you have reasons behind it, reasons that have informed your decision. I can’t imagine having such a 100% stance on a subject without having a reasoning. I’m not bating you, I’m genuinely interested to know why

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TheBlueUniform · 17/05/2025 19:22

Absolutely fucking bonkers. This is the negative part of religion and its influence in society. It’s not on

CrystalMighty · 17/05/2025 19:22

If the foetus is a life then the family should be able to take out life insurance

What a bloody excellent point @Snorlaxo

Babyboomtastic · 17/05/2025 19:23

diabeticdd · 17/05/2025 19:08

This is what I didn’t understand, is it possible to keep a woman ‘alive’ this long and the foetus can be totally healthy ? Are they saying they baby may have issues because that’s common or is it due to the specifics surrounding the condition that made the mother so unwell. It’s not very clear but maybe it’s designed to be vague ? It seems absurd that the family could be liable for the costs of life support ??!

Yeah, if it's.

I'd the baby wasn't injured by whatever happened to mum, then providing the hospital manage to lay the woman attacks, in most cases the baby is fine.

They're was a case in the Czech republic of a woman kept alive for about 5m so her baby could survive. Baby was perfectly healthy.

But it's also not easy to keep a woman with no brain activity stable, so not all make it.

I think it's an amazing thing to be able to do where we know mum would have wanted it and the family are in favour. The issues here are that the family are against it, it was very early on in pregnancy, that the baby is so poorly it might not survive or be proudly disabled and that the family will be lumbered with the bill.

AthWat · 17/05/2025 19:23

ThejoyofNC · 17/05/2025 19:19

As I said, I'm 100% anti-abortion.

So if a 13 year old is raped by her father, she has to have the child, even if it's reported the following day? What makes you think this is the best way to handle the situation?