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School's punishment of all boys in year 6

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htdt · 16/05/2025 17:28

My son is in Year 6 and has done SATS this week, today was meant to be a fun day for them as they've finished all the papers.

But my son came back from school really upset as the teachers had separated the girls and boys and he says the girls got to do fun activities and given treats but the boys got told off and given a lesson on respect.

He's taken this badly and has said things like 'I must be bad because I'm a boy'.

It's such a shame because he's worked really hard and was otherwise enjoying SATS week, but now feels horrible about himself, the teachers who told them off and the girls getting rewarded when all the boys were punished.

I feel like I need to speak to the school next week and find out what's gone on and why. I also feel like making a complaint. But I'm not sure what they are going to do to make things better even if they did agree with me that it was not a great way to deal with some boy's bad behaviour and also very bad timing so should I just forget about it...?

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Annascaul · 16/05/2025 18:04

htdt · 16/05/2025 17:36

As far as I can tell it was done because some boys are horrid to girls, usually also to other boys as well. The issue for my son is that he's upset that all the boys including him were punished for this, especially on a day that should have been a good one.

I know my son is not one of the boys who have behaved badly because he's been at this school since reception and the only feedback I have ever had is how kind and well behaved he is.

Oh, come on, op!
You know no such thing 😆

londongirl12 · 16/05/2025 18:06

htdt · 16/05/2025 17:59

Yeah, I'm going to have to find a way to diplomatically complain.

This has totally back fired with my son. He has always had close friendships with girls and is always kind.

From talking to the TA there's really no big issue other than that some of the boys complain if girls join in and aren't kind to them in general

It's such a shame because I generally have loved this school but I feel really angry with them for this. It has soured the end of SATS week and just made my son feel like rubbish.

You don’t have to diplomatically complain. You need to find out from his teacher/ head of year exactly what happened. Maybe it was a way of heading off any misogynistic behaviour, who knows! Everything is speculation until you find out what happened. Then you can make an informed decision whether to complain or not.

Smartiepants79 · 16/05/2025 18:10

This sounds like some staff who are at the end of their rope with a bunch of smart Alec, too big for their boots, rude 11 year olds.
You need to speak to his teacher and get a full and proper story. If the football comments really are the extent of it then it is a bit of a weird overreaction. BUT I’d bet there is more to this than you’ve been told.
It still might be the case that your child hasn’t been involved and if so you’re right to express that your feel this has been badly handled.
In my experience football is the absolute worst at this age. It leads to arguments, attitude and temper tantrums every time.

Pigsears · 16/05/2025 18:12

It's not a whole class punishment. It's the boys in the class.

Excluding some children from playing isn't great. But, it's also not that fun to be forced to play with someone who you don't want to play with (for whatever reason ...).

That aside, maybe the solution is a rota of when the football area can be used by which ever group. It could be girls play Monday. Boys play Tuesday. Boys and girls play wednesday.

Generally, I think what tends to happen is the same group of boys play all the time and no one else gets a look in.

elliejjtiny · 16/05/2025 18:12

That's awful. My son is in year 6 and he has been looking forward to the post sats treat day all year.

dancebob1980 · 16/05/2025 18:13

I come from a family of teachers, and generally support that teachers know what they are doing, but I have also seen some teachers with antiquated ideas, shall we say.

A teacher at my son's school kept threatening a whole class detention if some were noisy, for example. The head of year soon put a stop to that when informed. As she said, that's a thing of the past that we have moved on from.

In this case I would definitely complain. Firstly, collective punishment when they know your son was innocent, for example, is wrong. Secondly, removing an earned reward as an (unearned) consequence for unrelated behaviour is wrong. Thirdly, dividing down gender lines is wrong, old fashioned, and harmful in so many ways (including for the feelings it has raised in your son); it also plays into the "incel" narrative that we should try to protect our boys from. Unless they know for sure that every single boy did something wrong that warranted consequences, and that none of the girls did, there is no excuse for such gendered consequences. Instead, I am willing to bet that the boys that are being unpleasant to the girls are also being mean to some of the other boys (including your son?) too.

I would want a guarantee that it would not happen again, and acknowledgement that it was wrong. I would want a replacement/reinstatement of the SATS reward for my son. And, ideally, an apology for my son. I would contact the head and/or a governor to complain (informally or formally, whichever i thought would be most effectice). I would tell my son what I was doing, and discuss with him why it was wrong. I would make sure I rewarded him for his hard SATS work, making it clear that he deserved the reward even if school removed the reward they promised.

littlemousebigcheese · 16/05/2025 18:18

‘aren’t kind to them in general’ - sounds to me like minimising. Maybe your son isn’t involved but we have to start cracking down on sexism, misogyny and incel movement. Teachers would not do a day like this because a few boys said girls can’t play football, absolute nonsense, as your later comment indicates. I’m fed up of the abuse women and girls face on a daily bloody basis and boys need to learn about respect and consent and kindness before it’s too late. Good for your son on being kind but don’t let him become an entitled ‘nice guy’ who expects praise heaped on because he sees women as equal. We praise the bare minimum and then wonder why women and girls are treated appallingly,

OneFunBrickNewt · 16/05/2025 18:19

TAs don't always know the whole story....

thegirlwithemousyhair · 16/05/2025 18:19

Unacceptable. Definitely complain.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 16/05/2025 18:19

When I was at school, all the boys in one class were caned one day because none of them would own up to something.

Maybe for your son, it's a case of learning to take the rough with the smooth.

Whyherewego · 16/05/2025 18:20

That's appalling if true ! So find out if it's true and if so complain

JHound · 16/05/2025 18:21

I would absolutely take it up with the school to get to the bottom of things. It seems bonkers to me to punish all the boys in a year group for the behaviour of some. Could your some have misinterpreted?

JHound · 16/05/2025 18:23

htdt · 16/05/2025 17:39

Apparently some boys have said to girls that they can't play football...

My son doesn't even play football.

They were separated for the majority of the day.

I spoke to a TA as there was no one else available and she said they knew my son hadn't done anything wrong

Did you just call the school?

TheignT · 16/05/2025 18:23

htdt · 16/05/2025 17:59

Yeah, I'm going to have to find a way to diplomatically complain.

This has totally back fired with my son. He has always had close friendships with girls and is always kind.

From talking to the TA there's really no big issue other than that some of the boys complain if girls join in and aren't kind to them in general

It's such a shame because I generally have loved this school but I feel really angry with them for this. It has soured the end of SATS week and just made my son feel like rubbish.

I wouldn't bother with the diplomacy. I'd just complain as that is really unfair. I wonder if the girls ever get a collective punishment?

TheignT · 16/05/2025 18:24

ChocolateCinderToffee · 16/05/2025 18:19

When I was at school, all the boys in one class were caned one day because none of them would own up to something.

Maybe for your son, it's a case of learning to take the rough with the smooth.

No he shouldn't just learn to take it.

JudgeJ · 16/05/2025 18:25

SendBooksAndTea · 16/05/2025 17:44

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You've clearly never done break duty!!!!

TheignT · 16/05/2025 18:25

littlemousebigcheese · 16/05/2025 18:18

‘aren’t kind to them in general’ - sounds to me like minimising. Maybe your son isn’t involved but we have to start cracking down on sexism, misogyny and incel movement. Teachers would not do a day like this because a few boys said girls can’t play football, absolute nonsense, as your later comment indicates. I’m fed up of the abuse women and girls face on a daily bloody basis and boys need to learn about respect and consent and kindness before it’s too late. Good for your son on being kind but don’t let him become an entitled ‘nice guy’ who expects praise heaped on because he sees women as equal. We praise the bare minimum and then wonder why women and girls are treated appallingly,

Seems pretty sexist to me to punish children who have done nothing wrong simply because of their sex.

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Iloveagoodnap · 16/05/2025 18:26

This reminds me a bit of when my son was in Y6 and all the girls had to promise to stay off SnapChat for a week as there’d been some bullying going on. At the end of the week they got to have a party after school and the boys just went home. I pointed out to the teacher that my son had also stayed off SnapChat all week - as he didn’t have a smart phone let alone social media apps - so surely he should have been allowed to join in? There was talk of something else being done another day for the boys but then Covid hit so that was the end of that!

GiddyCrab · 16/05/2025 18:26

MonteStory · 16/05/2025 17:34

Nothing like enough information:
what happened for them to need a lesson?
were they separated for 10 minutes, an hour or the whole day?
Were all the boys genuinely involved in whatever happened?

I think you should speak to the school as the reward was for doing the sats, which he did therefore he should receive his award. Also whole group punishments are just a crap of dealing with stuff. They should have chosen a different day to deal with it. BUT my level of complaint would depend entirely on the answers to the above and my own sons involvement.

Exactly this.

AdoraBell · 16/05/2025 18:26

As others have suggested, speak to the teacher or HT and ask why this was done.

privatenonamegiven · 16/05/2025 18:27

dancebob1980 · 16/05/2025 18:13

I come from a family of teachers, and generally support that teachers know what they are doing, but I have also seen some teachers with antiquated ideas, shall we say.

A teacher at my son's school kept threatening a whole class detention if some were noisy, for example. The head of year soon put a stop to that when informed. As she said, that's a thing of the past that we have moved on from.

In this case I would definitely complain. Firstly, collective punishment when they know your son was innocent, for example, is wrong. Secondly, removing an earned reward as an (unearned) consequence for unrelated behaviour is wrong. Thirdly, dividing down gender lines is wrong, old fashioned, and harmful in so many ways (including for the feelings it has raised in your son); it also plays into the "incel" narrative that we should try to protect our boys from. Unless they know for sure that every single boy did something wrong that warranted consequences, and that none of the girls did, there is no excuse for such gendered consequences. Instead, I am willing to bet that the boys that are being unpleasant to the girls are also being mean to some of the other boys (including your son?) too.

I would want a guarantee that it would not happen again, and acknowledgement that it was wrong. I would want a replacement/reinstatement of the SATS reward for my son. And, ideally, an apology for my son. I would contact the head and/or a governor to complain (informally or formally, whichever i thought would be most effectice). I would tell my son what I was doing, and discuss with him why it was wrong. I would make sure I rewarded him for his hard SATS work, making it clear that he deserved the reward even if school removed the reward they promised.

This 100%

DeffoNeedANameChange · 16/05/2025 18:27

You need to speak to the school. My immediate suspicion would be that your son probably wasn't innocently caught up in a group punishment.

Swiftie1878 · 16/05/2025 18:28

htdt · 16/05/2025 17:59

Yeah, I'm going to have to find a way to diplomatically complain.

This has totally back fired with my son. He has always had close friendships with girls and is always kind.

From talking to the TA there's really no big issue other than that some of the boys complain if girls join in and aren't kind to them in general

It's such a shame because I generally have loved this school but I feel really angry with them for this. It has soured the end of SATS week and just made my son feel like rubbish.

You shouldn’t be planning to ‘diplomatically complain’ until you’ve heard what the school has to say about what has happened.
Find out, and then decide what you need to do.

Elasticatedtrousers · 16/05/2025 18:28

I’d be VERY careful before complaining and hearing something you don’t want to hear!

I would not complain but speak to the teacher or head. Then decide on a course of action.