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School's punishment of all boys in year 6

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htdt · 16/05/2025 17:28

My son is in Year 6 and has done SATS this week, today was meant to be a fun day for them as they've finished all the papers.

But my son came back from school really upset as the teachers had separated the girls and boys and he says the girls got to do fun activities and given treats but the boys got told off and given a lesson on respect.

He's taken this badly and has said things like 'I must be bad because I'm a boy'.

It's such a shame because he's worked really hard and was otherwise enjoying SATS week, but now feels horrible about himself, the teachers who told them off and the girls getting rewarded when all the boys were punished.

I feel like I need to speak to the school next week and find out what's gone on and why. I also feel like making a complaint. But I'm not sure what they are going to do to make things better even if they did agree with me that it was not a great way to deal with some boy's bad behaviour and also very bad timing so should I just forget about it...?

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DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 12:25

Bigfatsunandclouds · 17/05/2025 12:11

But we don't know for sure that the girls did get that? The only person who said that was OP son who wasn't there!! If it turns out that's true then of course it's a punishment.

What sort of schools do you know because in every school I’ve known boys aren’t in completely separate complexes from girls.
At the end of the day they will know exactly what’s been going on.
The clue will be in the girls chatting excitedly to their parents being picked up and the boys being miserable

I think it’s very safe to say all the boys knew exactly what the girls were up to
It’s also worth noting If all the boys are being punished it will have been explained to them that they are being punished. One look around and they will see ……. No girls!

I think anyone thinking otherwise is really grasping at straws here
Even the TA didn’t deny it

Having just read OPs update
at the end of the day the girls had sweets and were finishing up ice cream and the boys had nothing
This makes my blood boil and I find this extremely upsetting!

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 12:32

htdt · 17/05/2025 12:24

Oh, also some people have queried why the 'good' boys didn't talk to the teachers and say this was unfair.

My son says some boys did question it, and were told to stop complaining and that if they carried on answering back then they'd miss break for a month

Fgs
Those teachers need a lesson themselves by the sound of it.

Pickingdates · 17/05/2025 12:36

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 12:25

What sort of schools do you know because in every school I’ve known boys aren’t in completely separate complexes from girls.
At the end of the day they will know exactly what’s been going on.
The clue will be in the girls chatting excitedly to their parents being picked up and the boys being miserable

I think it’s very safe to say all the boys knew exactly what the girls were up to
It’s also worth noting If all the boys are being punished it will have been explained to them that they are being punished. One look around and they will see ……. No girls!

I think anyone thinking otherwise is really grasping at straws here
Even the TA didn’t deny it

Having just read OPs update
at the end of the day the girls had sweets and were finishing up ice cream and the boys had nothing
This makes my blood boil and I find this extremely upsetting!

Edited

I really agree.
There would've been blue murder in any school my children attended if this occurred.

Blue murder.
There is no way my extremely dissatisfaction wouldn't be going to the top of management of that school.

By all means discipline those involved but for the entire group, appalling lack of judgement.

Lazy discipline and completely unacceptable.

I am a huge supporter of firm standards and discipline but not random scatter gun discipline that teaches nothing to any child except unfairness is rife in life.

derxa · 17/05/2025 12:40

htdt · 17/05/2025 12:24

Oh, also some people have queried why the 'good' boys didn't talk to the teachers and say this was unfair.

My son says some boys did question it, and were told to stop complaining and that if they carried on answering back then they'd miss break for a month

🤣. Sounds like the Y6 teachers have had enough. Y6 pupils at this stage in the year have checked out of primary school in many cases. I think was very unfair to withdraw the treats from anyone. Fresh start on Monday.

Thatcannotberight · 17/05/2025 12:44

My son is at Senior school now. The punishments for the same offences, talking etc, are still given unfairly between girls and boys.

spoonbillstretford · 17/05/2025 12:46

That's really bad, OP.

My only ever detentions were whole class detentions and it made me incredibly resentful.

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 12:46

derxa · 17/05/2025 12:40

🤣. Sounds like the Y6 teachers have had enough. Y6 pupils at this stage in the year have checked out of primary school in many cases. I think was very unfair to withdraw the treats from anyone. Fresh start on Monday.

Yes they clearly grow had what they wanted from them with the tests then couldn’t be arsed. I’d be going to head and then governors with school behaviour and discipline policy in hand if what the boys who weren’t involved hadn’t had what they missed reinstated

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 12:47

derxa · 17/05/2025 12:40

🤣. Sounds like the Y6 teachers have had enough. Y6 pupils at this stage in the year have checked out of primary school in many cases. I think was very unfair to withdraw the treats from anyone. Fresh start on Monday.

Not just a fresh start though
The innocent boys should get an apology from the staff who discriminated against them
And
Those activities and treats !

spoonbillstretford · 17/05/2025 12:48

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 12:46

Yes they clearly grow had what they wanted from them with the tests then couldn’t be arsed. I’d be going to head and then governors with school behaviour and discipline policy in hand if what the boys who weren’t involved hadn’t had what they missed reinstated

This. Surely the perpetrators can be identified and they could make it up to the other boys.

derxa · 17/05/2025 12:57

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 12:47

Not just a fresh start though
The innocent boys should get an apology from the staff who discriminated against them
And
Those activities and treats !

I wouldn’t be apologising to any of the boys. Where would you start and finish? The treats could be earned by an improvement in behaviour over the week.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 17/05/2025 12:58

Collective punishment is a war crime

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 17/05/2025 13:06

htdt · 17/05/2025 12:24

Oh, also some people have queried why the 'good' boys didn't talk to the teachers and say this was unfair.

My son says some boys did question it, and were told to stop complaining and that if they carried on answering back then they'd miss break for a month

With that reaction from the teachers, I would actually take this higher.

It's bad enough punishing wholly innocent children, but then to threaten them with worse punishment for speaking up about it is reprehensible - I would say abusive, even.

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 13:08

derxa · 17/05/2025 12:57

I wouldn’t be apologising to any of the boys. Where would you start and finish? The treats could be earned by an improvement in behaviour over the week.

The innocent ones didn’t do anything wrong!

When you make a mistake you apologise

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 13:09

derxa · 17/05/2025 12:57

I wouldn’t be apologising to any of the boys. Where would you start and finish? The treats could be earned by an improvement in behaviour over the week.

But it wasn’t all of them and some don’t even play football or in that area and some had received the unkind behaviour too. 🤔

Thatcannotberight · 17/05/2025 13:09

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 17/05/2025 13:06

With that reaction from the teachers, I would actually take this higher.

It's bad enough punishing wholly innocent children, but then to threaten them with worse punishment for speaking up about it is reprehensible - I would say abusive, even.

You've not been anywhere near a school recently then, especially a Senior School. That's exactly how they deal with the boys.

derxa · 17/05/2025 13:11

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 17/05/2025 13:06

With that reaction from the teachers, I would actually take this higher.

It's bad enough punishing wholly innocent children, but then to threaten them with worse punishment for speaking up about it is reprehensible - I would say abusive, even.

Don’t be ridiculous. The teachers have probably put up with two and a half terms of back chatting and poor behaviour. Some cohorts are just difficult.

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 13:28

derxa · 17/05/2025 13:11

Don’t be ridiculous. The teachers have probably put up with two and a half terms of back chatting and poor behaviour. Some cohorts are just difficult.

🤣 because girls never back chat or have poor behaviour whilst apparently all 100 boys do 🤣🤣

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 14:03

This thread just shows the problems we have with kids today.

Get over it, it's not that deep. Teach your child to take it on the chin and move on.

As I have said before, we need to teach resilience and stop fussing about every thing that happens and running to schools to complain.
It's ridiculous and we are all going to rue the day we pandered to a generation of children - in fact, I think we already are!

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 14:12

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 14:03

This thread just shows the problems we have with kids today.

Get over it, it's not that deep. Teach your child to take it on the chin and move on.

As I have said before, we need to teach resilience and stop fussing about every thing that happens and running to schools to complain.
It's ridiculous and we are all going to rue the day we pandered to a generation of children - in fact, I think we already are!

And you ou clearly have no idea what SATS are like. It’s all that is talked about and focused on throughout much of year6 and makes learning dull. It’s not for the kids.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 17/05/2025 14:25

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 14:03

This thread just shows the problems we have with kids today.

Get over it, it's not that deep. Teach your child to take it on the chin and move on.

As I have said before, we need to teach resilience and stop fussing about every thing that happens and running to schools to complain.
It's ridiculous and we are all going to rue the day we pandered to a generation of children - in fact, I think we already are!

yes but it’s not exactly a levels is it and parents should be supporting their kids by telling them that they aren’t all that important

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 14:26

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 14:12

And you ou clearly have no idea what SATS are like. It’s all that is talked about and focused on throughout much of year6 and makes learning dull. It’s not for the kids.

I know exactly what SATS are like, thanks.

That's my point - the education system is ridiculous because of the focus put on these tests. Because of that emphasis schools end up cheating.

But once you get a bit of distance from Primary School.you see how uniimportant they really are - except to the school.

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 14:28

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 14:03

This thread just shows the problems we have with kids today.

Get over it, it's not that deep. Teach your child to take it on the chin and move on.

As I have said before, we need to teach resilience and stop fussing about every thing that happens and running to schools to complain.
It's ridiculous and we are all going to rue the day we pandered to a generation of children - in fact, I think we already are!

Part of resilience is speaking up re unfairness and wrong behaviour. The school is in the wrong.

Orangesinthebag · 17/05/2025 14:32

R3s3t · 17/05/2025 14:28

Part of resilience is speaking up re unfairness and wrong behaviour. The school is in the wrong.

Yes - the child and his friends should speak up, they're old enough.

And I don't mean back chat or whine, I mean ask to speak to the Head or seek the Head out and speak to them & explain their point of view.
A Y6 child is old enough to do that & not need his mum to do it for him - if he really feels wronged then yes, encourage him to speak up.

ETA - it's called "pupil voice"

Askingforafriendtoday · 17/05/2025 15:02

DrPrunesqualer · 17/05/2025 12:32

Fgs
Those teachers need a lesson themselves by the sound of it.

They really do. For some reason the detail of the sweets and ice cream for the girls and not the boys at the end of a long, hot tiring day is really really upsetting, such calculated cruelty somehow, unbelievable, horrid

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 17/05/2025 15:22

htdt · 17/05/2025 12:15

Wow, thanks everyone for all the replies, this has turned into an interesting discussion.

I won't have any more info until Monday at the earliest but will update when I do.

I will just summarise as there were a few queries coming up over again.

I did not confront anyone, I was at reception, while my son was collecting his stuff from the classroom at the end of the day. I asked if either the head of year or deputy head were around for a quick chat. One of them had gone home, the other was in a meeting and the TA was walking past at this point and she approached me and asked if she could help. I asked if she knew anything about what had happened today and she told me, I said thanks, that's good to know, she then said my son hadn't been involved in any bad behaviour. My son came back and we said goodbye.

All I know about what the bad behaviour was, from my son and TA, is that some boys have been mean to girls and the example was around not letting girls join in with football. My son doesn't play football. He spends his time in another part of the playground and often plays with a mix of girls and boys.

All I know about the 'punishment' is that the boys and girls were split up, and told this was because the boys had been mean to the girls, and they did different activities all day. And the boys had a lesson on respect. My son also says that at the end of the day the girls had sweets and were finishing off ice creams in the classroom and the boys hadn't been given anything.

I do talk to my son about feminism and women's rights and explain to him that still even in this country women are often treated unfairly and in some countries girls are not even allowed to go to school. I do try to raise him to have respect for everyone and he does appear to be inclusive and I've not ever seen him do or say anything sexist or racist.

He doesn't have a phone, but a lot of the other children in his year do.

The teachers who were involved in this were all male, there's actually a lot of male teachers at my son's school and I think that's great, there's great female teachers there too, and I have generally thought this school is fantastic and my son has loved it there.

I will update when I have any more information...

In your original post you said your son came back from school upset… which implies he only told you about it when you got home. But updates say you were at the school wanting to sisal to the teacher about it. So which is it? Did he tell you had home or at the school? If he told you at the school surely there would have been over parents to speak too about it?