To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

Oh dear you just proved my point.

I think the chances of being caught directly affect whether someone decides to go through with murder. It’s not that great of a length btw. Faking a letter and fooling your relative into thinking they are dying. You don’t even have to purchase or administer the lethal drugs,

So if people are already killing their partners, how will the assisted dying bill make this worse?

As this bill only applies to people with full capacity to make decisions who have a terminal illness with less than 6 months to live, surely these abusive partners who kill their partners would just wait for them to die naturally in six months or less, and would enjoying witnessing their suffering. Why would they put themselves at risk of prosecution in those circumstances?

It's so sad you are expecting a wave of people to start killing off their relatives. I know humans can be shit but I'm not prepared to think that negatively of those around me. I think you need to start talking to more people in the real world.

I expected you to think that because you come across as someone who
a) hasn’t read the bill or compared it to the laws in countries where it is legal so has naively fallen for the fallacious advertisements of “ strongest safeguards in the world”
b) hasn’t looked into the abuses that occurred over COVID that caused the deaths of elderly and disabled due to withholding of care, ppe, and blanket DNRs
c) hasn’t read the concerns of the medical associations that have rightly stated they cannot support the bill
d) must be deluded in terms of the ability of the NHS to take this on with no budget for it and no staff for it.

In short you are woefully underinformed and therefore are being a bit too naive and trusting.

No I'm just not paranoid. I did suspect someone would bring covid into it.

You’re like a wind sock.

First you argue that abusers are killing victims anyway with staged mercy killings so this will not make a difference.

When I say, making it easier to murder is going to make a difference and not in a good way.

Then you say it’s sad I think abusers will kill victims and I “need to talk to people in the real world” as if abusers aren’t already getting away with murder by staging them as mercy killings.

You realise you have contradicted yourself? By going from yes it happens but this won’t make a difference, to no it doesn’t happen at all.

The capacity standard in the bill is the lowest standard and has been criticised by psychologists and specialists as insufficient to determine whether the person truly has capacity to consent to ending their own life.

Because this whole line of conversation is ridiculous. People are bringing up mercy killings, domestic abuse, brutal homicide, state going around killing people, covid etc, all I'm doing is responding to those points, I wouldnt bring all that stuff up.

Personally I'd rather the experts and professionals decide on what's in the bill than the average Joe on the street. So let's wait and see what happens.

Yes, me too, which is why I told you the reaction of the professionals and experts - including the The Royal College of Psychiatrists (RCPsych) to the capacity standard in the bill and the resources to implement it as being insufficient. See concern #4 regarding the capacity standard being proposed as not fit for purpose for determining the capacity to consent to ending your life

https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/news-and-features/latest-news/detail/2025/05/13/the-rcpsych-cannot-support-the-terminally-ill-adults-(end-of-life)-bill-for-england-and-wales-in-its-current-form

However, it is clear that you’ve been saying what you think is in the bill, even when it directly contradicts what the bill itself and experts are saying.

I don’t think it is ridiculous to assess how an assisted dying bill would work in practice in this country with our track record of abuses rather than assessing how it would work in an ideal, utopian country.

It's not finalised yet. I dont know the ins and outs of everything that they have to consider as I dont have the inside knowledge. I dont know the inner workings of how this country works and how it all comes together when new laws are created or existing ones amended.

It could be.

With what we've seen in other countries, I think it's very important that if made legal, the most important check in my eyes is that it must be led by the person. Who can start the conversation and process is a check that tends to be left out in the discussions. At the very least, people should be able to mark in their records if they want those conversations to happen, and those need to be opt-in.

Medical professionals or government officials bringing it up and offering it, particularly in the manner we have seen in Canada and the Netherlands where some report having it brought up daily or by every professional while in hospital or as part of discussions for disability access, is to abuse the power imbalance inherently there.

There are ways to ensure people are aware of their rights without it being the person treating you or handling your case doing so.

And yeah, I'm very wary of some of the politicians motivations on this. I don't think it's the 'save the suffering' that is being portrayed.

People who work in parliament are human beings too. From what I've read or heard from Kim Leadbeater she seems a very reasonable person. Lots of general members of the public wish this option brought in and it's nothing to do with saving the country money.

You could hardly expect the RCpsych to ever agree to this, they would be impossible to satisfy. I would take their response with a pinch of salt.

My DH has secondary progressive MS & receives a yearly budget for his care. This will increase year on year as his needs increase. I’m terrified pressure will be put on him in the future to end his life to save the LA/NHS money! This seems to happen in other countries like Canada.

Really? Because I know loads of people whose relatives have had to sell their homes and spend everything they have on a care home somewhere for the last few years of their lives.

What makes you say that?

If medical professionals were to put pressure on someone to end their life that would need reporting and those people struck off. Does your DH seem like the sort of person who would take his own life because someone suggested it to save some money?

Because psychiatrists believe they can change people’s beliefs either with drugs or talking so inevitably they would have the view that even if the patient is in terrible pain and wants to end their life, they would be able to change the patients view.

Plus they say they cannot accept it in its current form, not that they are opposed to assisted dying itself.

There's a difference between suicide and taking a life. Suicide is legal, this Bill helps those who wish to do it.

Drs can't accurately predict when someone is going to die, therefore these people could be robbed off their lives prematurely.

It's meant to be a choice, that means the patient has freely consented. People do get murdered all the time, we don't tend to shrug and say get on with it then, we attempt to safeguard them.

There's also the question of the slippery slope, of the criteria being widened to include other illnesses. This widens the scope for abuse.

Why would pressure to save money be a factor for anyone? Is there pressure for anyone to refuse treatment or commit suicide now to save money?

No. So this is not a worthwhile argument.