To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

You do it yourself. It's not euthanasia its assisted dying.

You are taking your own life. It's not euthanasia its assisted dying.

Suicide is where you take your life without assistance. The state assists you to take your life with this bill.

Exactly
It really shouldn’t be a consideration unless the patient asks for it themselves

Yes of course but its your choice, your decision and you administer the drug.

Yes I'm glad that's been scrapped. The person would probably have died in agony by the time the judicial hearing process completed. It's all part of the process in putting together the best bill possible, things will get altered and looked at again and amended until they come up with the best plan.

That's what we're discussing. Consent.

Yes!

It's not paranoia. It's deliberate scaremongering.

You're either misunderstanding or deliberately misrepresenting this Bill @MiloMinderbinder925.

Which one is it?

Neither. The NHS is funding AD, there are stipulations that state funded Drs, social workers and psychiatrists approve the death and it's being paid for by the tax payer.

Therefore the patient is being assisted to die by the state.

This Bill does not allow the state to take your or anyone else's life. So are you're either misunderstanding or misrepresenting it.

Which one is it @MiloMinderbinder925?

The bill allows the state to help you commit suicide. It's not me who doesn't understand how it works.

Especially when a long drawn out death leads to elderly people often sacrificing their entire life's savings into end of life care. That's a win for the state.

The NHS fully fund end of life care

Therefore AS is a win for the state.

Exactly !

and surprisingly popular don’t you think given the current number of elderly people and the ever increasing rise in the adult social care bill. What a surprise!

You sound more and more like a conspiracy theorist. Large numbers of elderly? Large adult care bill? OMG they are trying to kill them all off!

They do at the moment, even if the provision's inadequate, but what an opportunity to save money if patient s could be subtly moved towards "choosing" AD instead

Interesting, too, to see that while we'll all have our own views, the more considered posts are from those opposed, whereas those in favour seem to be relying on emotional, often insulting one liners - which are less than I believe such a grave subject deserves

Your looking at the wrong posts if you think the more considered posts are from those opposed to it. The opposed are more paranoid and grab hold of scare stories. Some emotional posts are from those opposed- I dont care how many people will benefit, what about the one hypothetical potential person who might not, kind of posts.

If you read the bill, the criteria and procedure almost entirely matches those in countries that have suffered the slippery slope and had abuses of assisted dying. There is nothing in the bill that addresses the lessons learned.

Except the bill requires the doctor signing off on the patient as terminal must NOT be a doctor that has ever treated them before. It’s not hard to fake a diagnosis letter and then fool a vulnerable relative into thinking they are dying.

The bill allows for euthanasia if you need an extra bit of lethal drugs to finish the job. The cocktail of drugs you take orally are not 100% effective. Patients have vomited the medication up, had a gag reflex and can’t continue swallowing, others have fallen unconscious before they could get to the full lethal dose. In these cases of failed assisted suicide, which are more frequent than you may think, the healthcare professional (who by the bill doesn’t have to be a doctor or even a nurse) is to step in and inject or IV a boost to finish killing you which is euthanasia. The bill is called assisted dying because it is known up front that some amount of euthanasia will be needed even from the start.

Paranoia. If someone is going to such great lengths to murder someone then that's a whole other issue as they would be killing them off one way or another anyway.

They did it during Covid to the elderly and disabled. That’s historical fact.