To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

Thanks for your contribution. It's really added to the debate.

You need to look at the post where @MiloMinderbinder925 responded with those comments
They were responding with as good as they got.
The poster they responded to called them similar and were very patronising

On the subject of abortion I can never forget a thread on here discussing exactly this, where "as early as possible, as late as necessary" turned into someone actually advocating for infanticide "providing it was only done in the first few weeks"

Unrelated, yes, but a worthwhile reminder of just what sort of mission creep some would find acceptable

If they are that way inclined they would do it anyway, your own post with that 'report' shows that. Honestly if someone has a murderer in their family who wishes them dead they are screwed either way. This bill is all part of how as humans we are constantly evolving to understand how we can change things for the better.

Nobody wants to be burgled, have their house set on fire or be murdered. Many terminally ill people with less than six months to live would like the option of assisted dying to have a peaceful death at the time of their choosing.

But even if they did ask nothing changes does it. Women have their own minds. If she wants an abortion she gets one, if she doesnt want an abortion she doesnt.

They absolutely do sometimes.

There's no way the murder would be uncovered as the victim has 'consented', remember that others can sign the documents.

Someone very ill or beaten down may be forced to agree. Doctors need to be trained in coercive control and perhaps look into previous history of potential abusers. Some of the abusers committing 'mercy killings' had a history of violence.

That's unlikely given limited funds.

My response is to your many many comments that bad people will do bad things anyway. Therefore it’s ok to legalise euthanasia.

Clearly
Just because bad people do bad things anyway does not mean, in the obvious and wider sense, that’s it right to legalise these bad things that people would do anyway.

Yes and I know the type of mercy killing you are referring to. I can see a difference. Maybe you cant.

But 60 years it is yet to happen. There has been no creep. Good thing laws aren't based on what someone on the internet said once.

A mercy killing is assisted suicide. It's the act of intentionally ending someone's life in order to alleviate suffering.

Ah so a report then. Are you not concerned about male patients?

Dont try and back track now. Earlier you put 'suffering' not suffering. You were referring to men murdering women for their own benefit.

Yes a report. I'm concerned about anyone vulnerable.

As explained, it was shown that in the majority of cases, the women weren't suffering. Hence 'suffering'.

I called them sweetie pie as I was giving them the same treatment they gave me. They then decided to continue the nonsense and I didnt.

I really don’t think you have any responsibility to have to do all the homework here
Im sure Tarry can find stuff for himself/ herself if he/she wants to back up his/ her thoughts with reality
Haven't seen any yet though……

There has been no creep

I wouldn't quite say that, @digdongdoo, when abortion (the availability of which I personally favour) has effectively become an on demand service rather than the more restricted provision originally envisaged

As with one intervention, so potentially with another, especially if a patient's real wishes were subsumed by the impetus to save time and money

Exactly and if they arent suffering that's not comparable to the assisted dying bill which is for people in immense suffering with months to live.

One report by one organisation is not homework. Listen to people from countries in Europe who already have this in place. And by listen I dont mean simply seeking out the odd case that fits your narrative.

Apologies for that Tarry
I have done my due diligence and checked back and you weren’t the first one.
My mistake
🙏

Nothing has changed. The rules are the same and the requirements are the same and the women still have the choice.

Surely the whole point is for an individual to have a choice if confronted with a terminal illness & the likelihood of a traumatic, painful death. End of life care is severely underfunded & the reality is that for many illness, pain relief is not a given. Allowing assisted dying shouldn’t be made into a binary decision of it versus improving social, EOL & palliative care. Legalising assisted dying does not & shoukd not prevent the latter from being invested in and improving.

As for its misuse, why would any health professional ever offer it as a choice? It’s not a treatment option. It’s an individual & personal choice. Surely the belief that health professionals would suggest it is a complete misunderstanding of the whole concept. Offering it is a form of coercion. It’s not a treatment option. It would only come from the individual. And yes if their thinking includes not wishing to be a burden on others, then that’s their choice.
And the simplistic naivety that mental health conditions can be cured with antidepressants is additionally really unhelpful for the debate. If they worked why are so many people still on them? If they worked why is Treatment Resistant Depression so prevalent? The slow & painful erosion of the self, independence, ability to contribute & function in society, be reliant on benefits that nobody believes you are entitled to, along with the ensuing social difficulties that follow & that person cannot be allowed to end unrelieved misery & suffering humanely & legally is just wrong. Yes of course depression can be reactive to the diagnosis of a terminal illness. Surely the person should be given the legal right to have a dignified death at a time of their choosing rather than suffer not only the hell of the illness itself, but the additional pain of suffering mentally with that on top. Yes allow that person a chance to trial psychiatric treatment. But if that fails allow the person the choice to end their suffering in a humane & dignified way. And for their families be spared the trauma of suicide or criminal proceedings facilitating them to go to Dignitas etc.

You told the pp to stick to the feminist threads as that’s what you perceived to be their concern
Then queried the report they sent about women
Then asked what about the men

You were suggesting pp only cares about women when in fact pp was discussing vulnerable people. Which they noted. The report pp posted is about one section of society that are vulnerable.

If you’re interested in reports and facts there’s masses out there.

You can’t control what people post here, you aren’t actually in charge !