To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

Hope it comes into law, I'd rather not have to blow the top of my head of with a shotgun if I felt the need to end my life due to illness, would much rather take a concoction of drugs and slip away.

Yes this is your own individual imaginative situation. I'm thinking of the bigger picture.

It can also allow people who are terminally ill and suffering die peacefully surrounded by those who love and care for them

I have no doubt that the concerns for an ageing population has a lot to do with decisions being made

I am also certain many people who have no or little quality of life will choose the option of assisted dying

I'm also concerned it will end up that people with depression will be allowed to top themselves. For example.

I'm worried it will wind up like Canada where they keep expanding eligibility for MAID and people have applied because the government will not provide sufficient care and supports. That's also been an issue in the Netherlands and Belgium, and it's very taboo there to talk about how it's ableist.

The bigger picture is people having choice and not coming up with conspiracy theories and thinking the NHS is going to be running around the hospital killing people

Yes, this is what I mean!! I don't know anything about it, just gut reaction which is why I started this thread to get some real info.

I think it is very nuanced.

On the one hand there are vulnerable people who could be unduly pressured.

On the other there are people in intolerable suffering who want release.

The checks and balances will be key.

I was all for assisted dying until I watched a documentary about what’s happened with it in Canada and other countries, it is indeed very scary.

I would like to able to decide for myself when it's time to go. Many would.

No; i know someone who has a terminal illness and they are suffering terribly with the never ending pain and indignity of it. You wouldn't let a dog suffer the way they are, why can't they chose to end their life peacefully?

By the way I understand people who are in end stage cancer, ALS etc. but there needs to be very strong safeguards and they need to resist the temptation to fall for "well if so and so can have assisted dying why can't this group..." because other countries have shown the slippery slope is very real.

This debate is very challenging as the reality is I do not know anyone who would not like the opportunity for assisted dying for themselves

But how effective people believe safeguards would be to prevent misue, depends very much on whether they have much experience of very vulnerable people, or being very vulnerable and how easy it is for abuse to happen..

very few are prepared to accept if I got my wish for access to assisted dying, it would be at someone else's expenses.

If I was to vote for this. I would have to own that and say on a balance I would rather 10 people got the death they wanted and one person got pushed into it, v 10 people died how they didn't want and no one got pushed into it. It's an uncomfortable feeling.

Passing stage 1 doesn’t mean it will pass at stage 2 or 3, there’s a lot of of work to be done at stage 2 where protections can be built in to the legislation. Any final law will look very different to the bill that’s been voted through because of the way legislation is crafted in Scotland as opposed to the rest of the UK.

The issues with the Liverpool Care Pathway are going to make that inevitable I'm afraid :( (although they're not the same thing at all)

Have you ever watched a relative suffer for years?

So would most of us. The problem is that this could be used to expedite the departure of some very vulnerable people. There aren’t enough protections.

YANBU, it’ll be an handy excuse not to invest in improving the state of palliative and end of life care.

The bigger picture is made out of little pictures.

So you think people should have to suffer unbearable pain and indignity until their bodies give up?

People should be helped to end their own lives if they have good reason to. This isn’t a bill that will allow others to make that decision. We don’t let animals suffer in the way that humans are expected to.

I am against it because I don't trust the NHS to handle this properly and safely. Especially after they've been so captured by gender woo woo ideology and shafted women. I don't trust the NHS to care about another group of vulnerable people.

It would need to have the right regulations in place but I am for it.

some illnesses are inhumane giving people a choice can be the kindest option.

we are quite late to the party when it comes to assisted dying we will learn from the other countries.

I used to work as a hospital social worker, including a period when I worked in a hospice, so have seen people at the end of their lives. I am very conflicted but on the whole would not vote for Assisted Dying. I think there aren't enough checks and balances. Canada and the Netherlands have both seen issues with their Assisted Dying laws.

It puts the option of state sanctioned suicide on the table, within the context of an utterly broken health and social care system in the UK. At each stage its being watered down, what could possibly go wrong!

My dad was severely disabled, every single hospital visit we were asked if we wanted to DNR. Just look at other countries and how the law has subtlety expanded. It's being sold as choice by the cheerleaders such as Kim Leadbetter, but I seriously worry about it and suspect that for certain sections of society, there will be expectations, not choices.