Nigel Farage

[Maddie05]

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

We don't have the US system and Trumps Tariffs may be made illegal at the Supreme court hearing.

Trump has a nick name TACO Trump Always Chickens Out.... look at his actions over Ukraine? love in with Putin?

Anyone in opposition, can say what they like, Farage wants to deport ALL migrants... ok where? what will he do when a country refuses to accept back a person then don't want?

He wants to give 10s of millions to the Taliban, the same Taliban than killed 457 british servicemen and women..... lovely.

He wants to open up old military bases and imprison them there.... so 1000s of armed guards and do you want a detention camp near you???

Its all BS, he caused the migrant crisis with the Brexit he campaigned for, he is nothing but a shit stirrer.

ATM just 3 out of 10 voters would vote for him, so if he gets in on 30%, 70% will hate a Reform Govt.

BTW a bit rich a BTL LL with a large property portfolio complaining about house prices.

We need a new slogan: “make politics boring again”. Shoo out the clowns like Trump, Blair, Johnson, Farage, who hide behind their masks and Cheshire Cat grins, and replace them with dull and boring like Major, Brown, and so.

To be honest, whether a PM is “successful” or not often depends on the hand they were dealt in the first place. We might not think much of Theresa May (although she had the bonus of being dull and boring), but she was given a poisoned chalice.

The government may change but the problems remain the same. The sheer idiocy of expecting an incoming government of any persuasion to turn the oil tanker round instantly is the problem. Reform would only make things a thousand times worse, hopefully they won’t get the chance to prove it.

Of course Reform won’t be able to “turn the oil tanker round” instantly. Nobody is able to correct things immediately what their predecessors ruined years and years before them. Give them time.

Weird!

Give Reform time.... but DON'T Give Labour time......

Sounds fair

This all the way. 👏👏👏👏👏

Exactly. The hypocrisy is astounding.

To those saying "Give Labour time" etc...

Maybe you're too young to remember the previous time Labour were in (1997).

Back then, migrants were clinging to the underneath of lorries & coaches to get into the country and the Labour government were actively encouraging it and telling us how we needed these migrants and how good they are for Britain & the economy.

Almost 30 years on and the only difference is the immigrants chosen form of transport and the quantity.

Both parties have just spent the last 30 years blaming each other.... promising that they're the party to fix it... but actually doing fuck-all constructive about it!

Like I said - I have no idea if Reform would live up to their promises - I very much doubt it. But I'm bored watching the shit-show just passing back and forth between the same two sides.

A change is as good as a rest.

That's actually not true. No government has ever, on the face of it, encouraged people to risk their lives to get into the UK. I think you're talking about opening up borders to people from eastern Europe when they joined the EU in 2004 - but those people didn't come in underneath coaches!

A constructive way to deal with the issue would be to open up safe routes. Another would be to rejoin the EU. I'm not terribly familiar with the intricacies of Reform policy (for obvious reasons) but I'm guessing those don't form the central plank of their manifesto?

Edited because of misspelling of borders.

On the contrary - With all the handouts our successive Governments keep giving them - the illegal immigrants are very much being encouraged to risk their lives.

Why else are they all crossing the big, safe land mass that is mainland Europe, then risking their lives to get to England?

If any Government really wanted to stop the dangerous crossings, be that by boat, underneath a lorry or walking through the Channel Tunnel - All they need to do is turn off the Magic Money Tap and it will stop in the blink of an eye.

But they don't!

Why not?!

And how would re-joining the EU magically solve the problem? We've been overrun with illegals for decades - long before Brexit was even a word.

Uh?
You do realise migrants coming on a boat or in a lorry cannot work? & spend years waiting for their claims to be processed.

Legal migration under Blair and Brown was around 230k pa, most young single, worked across sectors we didn't want to....

Under Sunak and Bojo, migration was running at 1m p.a, under Starmer, it has reduced to 440k, so reduced by over half.

Yes migration happened pre Brexit but as you say, the numbers have soared, way beyond anything pre Brexit ...who gave us Brexit?

...the very people who claim to have the solutions, Reform and the Tories, Badenoch even lies about her education, i doubt she has any ideas at all & Farage wants to send money to the Taliban.

Nobody is an 'illegal'. Have some respect.

The rest of your post is just daft and not borne out by fact, evidence or reality.

If nobody is an illegal immigrant - Why do we have the "Illegal Migration Act 2023"

And if the rest of my post is just daft...

Why are they all crossing the big, safe land mass that is mainland Europe, then risking their lives to get to England?

You don't believe that our benefits are a big pull factor? Free housing and medical care for example.

Much better in UK than in France ie
Migrants without any legal status:
Migrants who do not file for asylum, who are undocumented (illegal) on French territory, have no right to anything.
Asylum seekers:
When arriving in France, migrants who file an asylum application are entitled to ADA (asylum seeker allowance), which varies depending on the applicant’s family situation (with or without children). The amount ranges from 6.80 euros per day for a single person (about 190 euros per month) to 17 euros per day for a couple with two children (about 476 euros per month) to 23.80 euros per day for a family of 6 people (about 660 euros per month).
Apart from this aid, asylum seekers have no right to anything.

That illegal migrants can exploit the Black Market in UK ?

That the lack of Identity Cards makes it easier to people to "disappear" into the Black Economy in UK

You called people "illegals".That's rude and it's crass.

You do know that under the Refugee Convention, people don't have to stop in the first safe country they reach? People's reasons for choosing the UK are their business; either way they'll be granted the right to remain or turned away. The rest is immaterial.

@ForWittyTealOP Under existing British law, it’s illegal to enter the country without a visa or special permission.

And?

And they are therefore illegal migrants and are criminals

The government may want to refer to them as "irregular migrants" but it doesn't change their legal status.

I don’t see how Farage and Brexit is the cause of the boats though. Being in the EU wouldn’t have any significance to numbers surely ?

They want to come here because once they arrive it’s highly likely they’ll be able to remain here and be placed into hotels or emergency accommodation.

People say they should be able to work ? Surely that depends on the job doesn’t it? How can you do a DBS check on a person that has no identity? How can you let them work with vulnerable, older people or children if you can’t vet them ?

Shouldn’t everyone that arrives have their finger prints taken so you can atleast they are in the police national database?

Well if truncating "illegal immigrants" to "illegals" is my biggest crime - I think I can live with that on my conscience.

And I agree with you that if people choose to enter the UK illegally - that's their business.

But as a UK tax payer who is contributing to their Boarder Force taxi, Coastguard spotter plane and subsequent upkeep once they've landed here - it's my business as well.

As it is every other person who pays tax in this country - it's their business too, if they wish.

Not correct, once registered, an asylum seeker in France gets emergency healthcare, inc dental, after 3 months, they get access to general healthcare.

They also get accommodation.

Anyone in France will also get emergency treatment, do you think migrant run by a car, is left to die on the street?

Most migrants in Europe, wish to stay in mainland Europe.

There is a lot of mis information spread, much of it by the right wing, who keep telling everyone that a migrant will get a free house, medical care and great benefits.

@Alexandra2001

What you say is not borne out by the article I quoted from.

If there is any misinformation it isn't on my part.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/15436/francewhat-financial-support-can-migrants-receive

and these are being tightened up

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-immigration-bill-tightens-welfare-benefits-foreigners-2023-12-20/

"There is a lot of mis information spread, much of it by the right wing, who keep telling everyone that a migrant will get a free house, medical care and great benefits."

So, if it's mis information spread by the right wing - Are you suggesting that that same right wing is also spreading this mis information back to these people's country of origin?

'cos they all seem to be under the impression that England is the land of milk & honey - That's why they want to come here. There have been plenty of video clips where migrants in mainland Europe have been asked why they want to come to England.

Either:

That's true - England IS the land of milk & honey.

Or

It's mis information spread, as you state, largely by the right wing... And if so - why would the right wing be spreading information that's going to attract even more of them over here?

And surely if it IS mis information - we've had enough of them arrive here to realise that, actually, England is NOT the land of milk & honey that they were lead to believe... And they would immediately contact their friends and family back home and advise them not to bother wasting their time, effort & risking their life.

And, hey-presto - the illegal immigration would stop in a week.

But alas, it continues - So there must be some truth in that right wing mis information...

What's that got to do with me?

I think it's very easy to predict what Reform would be like as a government. We're getting a taste of it from local councils. They would be a combination of the worst of the Johnson and Truss governments, multiplied by around 10. I suspect it wouldn't be too long before the whole thing collapsed, but I hate to think about the damage they will do to the country in the meantime.