Nigel Farage

[Maddie05]

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

@ForWittyTealOP "You know what the far right is. Don't be disingenuous."

Yes, I know what it is and it's not a group of worried mums legally protesting outside an asylum hotel.

I'm curious to know what you think it is ?

Although I don't see the anti migrant protestors as "a group of worried mums" (and understand why they're being portrayed as such by some to make them appear reasonable and non- threatening), it's obvious that the protestors aren't the brains of the outfit here. They're the foot soldiers led to believe that the threat we face is from a small number of foreign-born people and encouraged to make noise about it.
Again, you presumably know what is meant by the far right. I doubt my understanding differs much from that of anybody else.

Worried mums.

Epping mums

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36496682/mums-fury-epping-migrant-hotel-ruling-overturned/

Wrong organisation I think

https://tpointuk.co.uk/about/

Reform treasurer, candidate and activist Sarah White there.

Not just “Epping Mums” but stooges of Britain’s most racist parliamentary party. Hmm.

Ludicrous to pretend there's no organised far right influence behind this summer's version of the race riots. Absolutely ridiculous.

I think the far left/marxist/woke ideology has got so embedded within MSM and education, people have been made to believe this ideology is right and everything else is evil. Inappropriate and unsubstantiated shouts of racism are the equivalent of “transphobia” we had to endure.

This is all the ideology of the far left. No distinction, men and women are the same, all cultures are the same, we should just all just be one homogeneous lump of people, with nothing to distinguish any of us.

it’s not true and trying to force the narrative is harmful to society and harmful to individuals

That sounds like tabloidese rather than any kind of accurate description of society. I believe those who favour a multi-cultural society want to celebrate the differences, not create a homogeneous lump of people.

Not sure why you think the mainstream media is embedded with “woke” (whatever that means these days) given that much of it is controlled by billionaire capitalists and leans to the right.

Agreed

Likewise the noisy far-left influence of the unwashed, unemployed Antifa protesters with their shiny new posters, bankrolled by well-known far left organisations,

It.s not a question of being "that brave" it's a question of people not wanting to waste their time with those who just want to start an argument.

Did someone say unwashed & unemployed ?

Not a wildly useful counterpoint but thanks for taking the time to respond I guess.

100%.

I think that popular and populist are different things. Farage is popular NOW because the majority of the population want a more effective immigration system with fewer immigrants, and they want a better standard of living, and they hate wokism and the Tories which rules out voting Tory, Labour, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru or lib dem.

I can't imagine ever voting for him because in power he would show his populist colours. Populism is about gaining support and power by telling people what they want to hear. If he gains power he will show himself to be incompetent, corrupt and in the pockets of the rich and Trump. He will not increase living standards and he probably won't succeed in controlling immigration either,

Woke means open borders, the anti-white racism of BLM, the misogyny and homophobia of TQ+ ideology. Woke means authoritarianism in the form of language control and social shaming.

Woke means pretending to be ultra-progressive whilst being very regressive and bigoted.

We don’t have “open borders”

BLM & TQ+ are such small minorities that it’s a bit irrational to be existentially frightened to the point of wanting to remove third-party protections of our own human rights.

And the language “control” simply means we don’t call minority groups insulting terms.

What I’m hearing is that you want to have North Korea style borders, and want to be allowed to use slurs and discriminate against minority groups, and if you can’t have that you’re going to blame something you call “woke” - an all-encompassing and fluid term which acts as a proxy for everything you don’t like.

If you are replying to me.

I did not say we had open borders, I said "woke" means open borders. It also means the claim that any discussion of immigration is hard right / fascist / racist by definition (even if the person who wishes to close borders is a literal communist who wants to protect borders solely to protect jobs).

BLM and antifa and woke all go hand in hand. One of the main ways they are an existential problem is that they are driving ordinary people into the hands of a populist called Farage. I don't care how small a minority is - if they are racist, sexist and homophobic they need fighting, and woke are all of those things.

No, telling me to refer to men in dresses as women is nothing to do with preventing insults - it is about trying to redefine reality using the tactics of literal communists.

I do not want North Korea style borders. I want free speech and don't think anyone has a right not to be offended - I do not want the right to insult.

What is the difference between me - someone who believes in free speech, truth, honesty, LGB rights, women's rights, and an end to racism, and a "woke person" in your view?

I live near a migrant hotel and up until now it hasn't been an issue. It is now because of the people demonstrating.

Open borders aren’t “woke”, they’re globalist.

How is BLM “anti-white” ?

Woke doesn’t frame discussion about immigration as inherently racist either - discussion which blames all of society’s problems on foreigners or immigrants is inherently racist - but not simply talking about immigration.

I’m not going to get into transgender stuff here, not the place for that debate.

Have you not seen BLM types saying "all white are racist"? How is that not racist? How is positive discrimination not anti-white racism by definition? (Postitive discrimination, not positive action - I support positive action to ensure the best people apply and get the job no matter their skin colour, I oppose positive discrimination - giving the job to an inferior applicant because of their skin colour)

A few odd BLM supporters have used phrases like “all white people are racist”, but that comes from theories about systemic privilege, not from the movement’s core message.

Positive discrimination is different though, it’s unfair and illegal here in the UK, and I agree it undermines merit. The real goal should be positive action as you said: levelling the playing field so the best person wins the job, whatever their skin colour.

Sorry, if you want to support anti-racism support anti-racism. If you want to support BLM you are an anti-white racist adopting an inherently USA-based world view, which is in itself based on lies about things like the proportion of police shootings involving the death of black men or unarmed black men. BLM involves the re-writing of history to present a deeply dishonest narrative. It is as bad for society as the KKK was, not least because if there is one thing that is going to increase genuine anti-black racism it is anti-white racism.

Which political party in the UK is openly advocating for BLM and implementing BLM driven policies ?

None.