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Nigel Farage

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Maddie05 · 13/05/2025 00:58

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

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themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:51

InsectsMatter · 02/09/2025 15:46

Type your query into Ai OP, or spend half an hour on X.

But you won’t, you’re just being goady.

Do you work in the public sector?

Don't you read any of my posts?

I run a healthcare business in the Private Sector - you know the Private Sector that pays taxes for this Socialist Government to squander

Alexandra2001 · 02/09/2025 15:54

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:51

Don't you read any of my posts?

I run a healthcare business in the Private Sector - you know the Private Sector that pays taxes for this Socialist Government to squander

Or the private health sector that provides services to the socialist NHS and rips off said socialist govt?

Sunshineandblueskysalltheway · 02/09/2025 16:11

'So how do you explain the BAME and women that think that he is so great?'

It's a version of being a 'pick me'. Most people capitulate before the dictatorship even comes to power. They submit believing that if they attain proximity to whiteness and misogyny and show themselves to be agreeable they will not only survive but benefit themselves.

Sunshineandblueskysalltheway · 02/09/2025 16:43

themoonandtenbob · 31/08/2025 08:51

So you're happy paying £5 million a day to keep these migrants in idle luxury?

Well, some of us aren't 😡

Can you describe the luxurious aspects of how migrants are living?

Boomer55 · 02/09/2025 16:49

Simple. He’s saying what people want to hear. Most have lost confidence in the main parties, as they are just so clueless and hopeless.

He's an opportunist, but he talks the talk, which is why Reform are 20% ahead in the polls. 🤷‍♀️

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 16:53

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 12:03

@themoonandtenbob

Because the right to seek asylum is protected under international law and states are required to provide a fair process to seek asylum. Countries are not allowed to criminalise the act of seeking asylum - this is illegal.

Because the countries in closest proximity to a country where innocent humans are being persecuted shouldn’t be expected to shoulder the full burden of providing refuge.

So Loughton’s question revealed that the UK does not make it possible for people to seek asylum via conventional routes and that politics tries to paint those who arrive unconventionally as criminals. (Incidentally, it’s illegal to deny asylum because the route was unconventional).

These laws exist - not to make your British life difficult, but to ensure every human in this earth can seek safety when they need to. Including you and your family. You feel safe now, but there may be a time when you unexpectedly shockingly horrifically need it … and the laws are there for YOU too.

If these laws are ignored because of Faragist racism, then we all are compromised.

I'm always puzzled by people asking why asylum seekers should pass through "safe" countries to come to the UK because brought to its logical conclusion, that argument says the UK should not take in any asylum seekers since we're an island. Either people don't realise that or they don't want to admit that's what they really want.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 16:56

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 13:08

@suitcasesarepacked "I also come from a country where lots of people fled persecution. I, however, had a British passport so was spared the trauma of boat crossings."

Uganda?

If you had a British Passport then that gives you certain rights such as the right to live, study and work freely, access to healthcare etc.

Unlike some that come here because they like our benefits and other "freebies".

If you knew anything at all about the UK benefits system, including LHA, you wouldn't say that people come here for "our" benefits system because you'd realise how ridiculous that is.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 17:01

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:39

@blossomtoes "I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe."

Safe ? My fat aunt !

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-third-of-sexual-assaults-committed

That "research" is from an anti migrant think-tank run by a Reform activist. In practice, police don't record migrant status of offenders in that way; they record nationality which is a different thing. Also, the research has been rebutted - this, as I'm sure you will scornfully see, is from the Guardian last month.

Are foreign nationals responsible for 40% of sexual crime in London?
Conservative Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary, said on Radio 4’s Today programme on Monday that 40% of sexual crimes in London last year were committed by foreign nationals.
The claim was sourced from the Centre for Migration Control (CMC), a thinktank and blog that describes its purpose as “controlling and reducing migration to Britain”. It is run by the Reform UK activist Robert Bates.
CMC’s claims come from the Metropolitan police’s response to a freedom of information request. The Met issued a breakdown of the number of people who had been proceeded against – ie brought before a court – for sexual offences by nationality. This does not mean they have been found guilty of committing the offence as Jenrick said. For example, there were 14,242 defendants brought to court for sexual offences at magistrates courts in England and Wales in 2024, but 8,098 convictions, according to Ministry of Justice statistics.

“Some of the data we’re seeing is very striking,” Jenrick also said. “Afghans and Eritrean nationals are 20 times more likely to be convicted of a sexual crime than a British national.” The statistic about Afghans has been repeated by Reform UK’s chair, Zia Yusuf.
This is a muddled figure that also came from the CMC, after it submitted freedom of information requests to the MoJ. It is based on population statistics from 2021 but data on offences covering the years between 2021 and 2023. That means the statistic is likely to be based on a significant underestimate of the number of Afghan and Eritrean nationals in the UK – meaning the comparison with British rates is unlikely to be 20 times as high. Immigration to the UK from Afghanistan has risen significantly since 2021 because of the Taliban’s return to power, while Eritrean migration has also risen due to wars in Eritrea, Sudan and Ethiopia.
The Guardian contacted Jenrick for comment.

Up to 47% of sexual offence charges in London last year were foreign nationals

In 2024 between 40% and 47% of those charged for sexual offences were foreign nationals - despite them accounting for just a quarter of the capital's population.

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-47-of-sexual-offence-charges

poetryandwine · 02/09/2025 17:02

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:39

@blossomtoes "I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe."

Safe ? My fat aunt !

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-third-of-sexual-assaults-committed

Migration Central has a Substack. It has a section called ‘About’ which explains that the Migration Central publications are produced by the Centre for Migration Control.

The Centre for Migration Control consists largely or wholly of one man, the Reform activist Robert Bates.

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 17:47

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 16:56

If you knew anything at all about the UK benefits system, including LHA, you wouldn't say that people come here for "our" benefits system because you'd realise how ridiculous that is.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/29/four-star-hilton-hotel-west-london-now-housing-asylum-seekers-fears-isnt-keeping-area-24028518/

Four-star west London Hilton is latest migrant hotel - here's what locals think

https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/29/four-star-hilton-hotel-west-london-now-housing-asylum-seekers-fears-isnt-keeping-area-24028518/

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 18:01

Posted by Fred Bassett
The child victims of rape were denied justice and protection from the state to preserve the image of a successful multicultural society
Sam Ashworth-Hayes. Charlie Peters
04 January 2025 6:00am GMT
Safeguarding minister Jess Phillips’ decision to block a public inquiry into the Oldham grooming gangs seems, from the outside, to be almost inexplicable. Children were raped and abused by gangs of men while the authorities failed to protect them.
A review of the abuse in Oldham was released in 2022, but its terms of reference only stretched from 2011-2014. Survivors from the town said that they wanted a government-led inquiry to cover a longer period, and catch what the previous review had missed. In Jess Phillips’s letter to the council, revealed by GB News, she said she understood the strength of feeling in the town, but thought it best for another local review to take place.
This is a scandal that should be rooted out entirely, and investigated by the full might of the British state. Voices ranging from Elon Musk to Kemi Badenoch have joined the calls for an inquiry. Yet the Government seems curiously reluctant to dig into the failings of officials.
This reluctance is not new.
Across the country, in towns and in cities, on our streets and in the state institutions designed to protect the most vulnerable members of our society, authorities deliberately turned a blind eye to horrific abuse of largely white children by gangs of men predominantly of Pakistani heritage.
Over time, details have come to light about abuse in Rotherham, in Telford, in Rochdale and in dozens of other places. But with the stories released in dribs and drabs, and the details so horrific as to be almost unreadable, the full scale of the scandal has still to reach the public.
Suffer the children
The following paragraph makes for difficult reading. But you should read it, if you can. It’s drawn from Judge Peter Rook’s 2013 sentencing of Mohammed Karrar in Oxford.

Mohammed prepared his victim “for gang anal rape by using a pump…
You subjected her to a gang rape by five or six men. At one point she had four men inside her. A red ball was placed in her mouth to keep her quiet.”
Her story is horrific.
It is also far from unique.
Take “Anna”, from Bradford. Vulnerable and in residential care, at the age of 14 had made repeated reports of rape, abuse, and coercion. When she “married” her abuser in a traditional Islamic wedding, her social worker attended the ceremony. The authorities then arranged for her to be fostered by her “husband’s” parents.
In Telford, Lucy Lowe died at 16 alongside her mother and sister when her abuser set fire to her home in 2000. She had given birth to Azhar Ali Mahmood’s child when she was just 14, and was pregnant when she was killed.
Her death was subsequently used to threaten other children. The Telford Inquiry found particularly brutal threats. When one victim aged 12 told her mother, and the mother called the police, “there was about six or seven Asian men who came to my house. They threatened my mum saying they’ll petrol bomb my house if we don’t drop the charges.”
Yet in a pattern that would repeat itself, Telford’s authorities looked the other way. When an independent review was finally published in 2022, it found police officers described parts of the town as a “no-go area”, while witnesses set out multiple allegations of police corruption and favouritism towards the Pakistani community. Regardless of the reason, the inquiry found that “there was a nervousness about race… bordering on a reluctance to investigate crimes committed by what was described as the ‘Asian’ community”.

Similar concerns applied at the council, where anxieties over appearing racist saw safeguarding officers waving away concerns simply because the perpetrators were Asian. It was felt that some suspects were not investigated because it would have been “politically incorrect”.
This is not to say that the council did nothing. Aware that taxi drivers were offering children rides for sex, in 2006 it suspended licensing enforcement for drivers, allowing high risk drivers to continue practicing. As the Telford Inquiry found, this was “borne entirely out of fear of accusations of racism; it was craven”.
A review of the abuse in Oldham was released in 2022, but its terms of reference only stretched from 2011-2014 Credit: Getty
And above all, there was the concern over community relations: senior council staff were terrified that the abuse of children “had the potential to start a ‘race riot’”. The result was stasis, despite officials acknowledging in at least one case that abuse by Asian men had gone on for “years and years”.
It had: at least 1,000 girls were abused in the town between 1980 and 2009. Yet even this conservative estimate was disputed by authority figures, with West Mercia police superintendent Tom Harding insisting in 2018 the figure was “sensationalised”.
The independent review later found it entirely plausible.

Fred Bassett

Fred Bassett

Political searcher of the truth; I also expose corruption and cronyism and also help whistleblowers.

https://watchers.ie/author/fredbassett7/

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 18:32

poetryandwine · 02/09/2025 17:02

Migration Central has a Substack. It has a section called ‘About’ which explains that the Migration Central publications are produced by the Centre for Migration Control.

The Centre for Migration Control consists largely or wholly of one man, the Reform activist Robert Bates.

FYI

"An open letter from left-wing campaigners blasting women's safety concerns and illegal migration links as "far-right racist lies" has been torn apart by a women's safety campaigner.
Speaking to GB News, the Deputy Director for the Women's Safety Initiative, Anna McGovern, hit out at the "disgraceful" letter and declared women and girls across Britain are "terrified for their safety".

The letter, coordinated by Stand Up to Racism and signed by left-wing figures including Zarah Sultana, Charlotte Church and Diane Abbott, claimed there is "no evidence that people seeking refuge are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence".
It stated: "We reject the far-right’s racist lies about 'protecting' women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division."

Expressing her outrage at the letter, titled Women Against the Far-Right, Ms McGovern told GB News: "I think it's absolutely disgraceful what they are doing. How dare they?!
"This is a real thing that is happening to people across the country, and women and girls are terrified for their safety.
"That is why we formed the Women's Safety Initiative, to raise awareness of these issues and to give women a platform to share their own experiences as well."
Citing official data on the link between sexual crimes against women and girls and foreign nationals in Britain, Ms McGovern explained: "This is backed by data, as we know Afghans are more than 20 times more likely to be convicted of sexual offences than British citizens, and foreign nationals were 71 per cent more likely than Britons to be convicted for sex crimes.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/09/2025 18:43

Because most people are fed up of the way the country is being run. Labour have predictably turned out to be shit, the Tories are directionless.the Lib Dem’s and Greens are living in an alternate universe

Reform have identified and focused on issues people are concerned about. ZThe Tories policies didn’t work, Labours certainly haven’t, people at least feel Reform is listening to them

KnittyNell · 02/09/2025 18:48

Pinepeak2434 · 29/08/2025 22:28

I actually prefer Zia Yusuf and he’ll be the reason I vote for Reform.

Same here.

poetryandwine · 02/09/2025 18:54

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 18:32

FYI

"An open letter from left-wing campaigners blasting women's safety concerns and illegal migration links as "far-right racist lies" has been torn apart by a women's safety campaigner.
Speaking to GB News, the Deputy Director for the Women's Safety Initiative, Anna McGovern, hit out at the "disgraceful" letter and declared women and girls across Britain are "terrified for their safety".

The letter, coordinated by Stand Up to Racism and signed by left-wing figures including Zarah Sultana, Charlotte Church and Diane Abbott, claimed there is "no evidence that people seeking refuge are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence".
It stated: "We reject the far-right’s racist lies about 'protecting' women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division."

Expressing her outrage at the letter, titled Women Against the Far-Right, Ms McGovern told GB News: "I think it's absolutely disgraceful what they are doing. How dare they?!
"This is a real thing that is happening to people across the country, and women and girls are terrified for their safety.
"That is why we formed the Women's Safety Initiative, to raise awareness of these issues and to give women a platform to share their own experiences as well."
Citing official data on the link between sexual crimes against women and girls and foreign nationals in Britain, Ms McGovern explained: "This is backed by data, as we know Afghans are more than 20 times more likely to be convicted of sexual offences than British citizens, and foreign nationals were 71 per cent more likely than Britons to be convicted for sex crimes.

The Women’s Safety Initiative is only concerned with VAWG by immigrants. Given that 90% of women know their sexual attackers and 50% of these attackers are partners or ex-partners, this is extremely misleading. (See recent threads here and in Chat on related topics for exact references, or google them)

If you are really concerned about VAWG, you would be concerned about all of it, not just the minority committed by immigrants.

These aren’t just my opinions. On 25/05 this year, MumsNet published a thread about the Women’s Safety Initiative. The consensus was that it is a racist dogwhistle.

SkylarkKitten · 02/09/2025 18:55

Farage is soundbites with no substance.
Years ago, he'd be ignored. However, both of the main parties have proved themselves liars and self servers.

This is the perfect storm to gain traction.

You can't fund every single public service and also lower taxes. It's not economically feasible. However, if you soundbite saving money on immigration, the environment and foreign aid then you can spin possibilities without anyone looking into details.

Anyone remember the Brexit bus and leaving the EU suddenly freeing up millions for the NHS....??!

Like I said, soundbites with no substance!

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 21:08

Any campaigner given air time by G B News automatically raises suspicion with me.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 21:42

No idea what you think you're achieving in posting that. A hotel being converted into emergency accommodation doesn't prove that the UK benefits system is worth risking your life for. You do know that many people are housed in corner hotels as an emergency? It's not appropriate accommodation for anybody.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 21:51

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 18:32

FYI

"An open letter from left-wing campaigners blasting women's safety concerns and illegal migration links as "far-right racist lies" has been torn apart by a women's safety campaigner.
Speaking to GB News, the Deputy Director for the Women's Safety Initiative, Anna McGovern, hit out at the "disgraceful" letter and declared women and girls across Britain are "terrified for their safety".

The letter, coordinated by Stand Up to Racism and signed by left-wing figures including Zarah Sultana, Charlotte Church and Diane Abbott, claimed there is "no evidence that people seeking refuge are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence".
It stated: "We reject the far-right’s racist lies about 'protecting' women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division."

Expressing her outrage at the letter, titled Women Against the Far-Right, Ms McGovern told GB News: "I think it's absolutely disgraceful what they are doing. How dare they?!
"This is a real thing that is happening to people across the country, and women and girls are terrified for their safety.
"That is why we formed the Women's Safety Initiative, to raise awareness of these issues and to give women a platform to share their own experiences as well."
Citing official data on the link between sexual crimes against women and girls and foreign nationals in Britain, Ms McGovern explained: "This is backed by data, as we know Afghans are more than 20 times more likely to be convicted of sexual offences than British citizens, and foreign nationals were 71 per cent more likely than Britons to be convicted for sex crimes.

Who is Anna McGovern? There's not much information about her online apart from a lot of ranting about migrants. A lot of far right, anti asylum seeker campaigners hide behind the issue of women's safety. I'm sceptical as to how far their concern really reaches.

I'm a woman, I have daughters, female relatives and friends. I'm not "terrified for my safety" and nor is anyone else I know. In reality, we're statistically more at risk of harm at the hands of our male partners, followed by white men in the wider community. I think it's disgusting that we as women are being weaponised by the far right.

themoonandtenbob · 03/09/2025 09:25

@ForWittyTealOP "I think it's disgusting that we as women are being weaponised by the far right."

Who/what is this "far right" ?

Do you live near a hotel housing migrants ?

Is this what is in store for uk? itv.ie/migrants-wreck-irish-hotel/

ForWittyTealOP · 03/09/2025 13:23

themoonandtenbob · 03/09/2025 09:25

@ForWittyTealOP "I think it's disgusting that we as women are being weaponised by the far right."

Who/what is this "far right" ?

Do you live near a hotel housing migrants ?

Is this what is in store for uk? itv.ie/migrants-wreck-irish-hotel/

There's honestly not a lot you could tell me about hotels being used to house asylum seekers (and other groups of people - but oddly, nobody is up in arms about homeless UK families being stuck in hotels for weeks and months - wonder why?).

You know what the far right is. Don't be disingenuous.

Coolasfeck · 03/09/2025 13:47

I’m becoming increasingly anxious that NF has a chance of becoming PM. He will then finish the job of running us down to be picked apart by America and Russia. How on Earth are people giving him the time of day when he ruined us financially with Brexit.

DH and DC are dual national Australians, and we are seriously thinking of leaving. We’re are net contributors, educated, voted against Brexit. We’re patriots and do what we can to benefit the country whilst being attacked for being Londoners etc.

We’ve come to realise a big chunk of this country wants to be poor and angry and will keep voting to make things worse so we are all poor and angry like crabs in a barrel. There’s nothing we can do about it so we’re considering our options. Two families who were close to have already left which adds to the deep unease. We are tired.

I really wish Starmer would use his majority to do something bold - even reinstate some of the ideas from the Truss/Kwarteng budget which can be improved on and made more robust. Tinkering will not help and risks Farage coming in with his populism, scapegoating.

I wish we could turn back the clock to May 2016 before the vote. Estimates put the figure lost to the economy at £140bn and counting. This is what people should be protesting about. Instead they want to hand the box of matches back to the arsonist.

AnneOnAMoose · 03/09/2025 15:21

Coolasfeck · 03/09/2025 13:47

I’m becoming increasingly anxious that NF has a chance of becoming PM. He will then finish the job of running us down to be picked apart by America and Russia. How on Earth are people giving him the time of day when he ruined us financially with Brexit.

DH and DC are dual national Australians, and we are seriously thinking of leaving. We’re are net contributors, educated, voted against Brexit. We’re patriots and do what we can to benefit the country whilst being attacked for being Londoners etc.

We’ve come to realise a big chunk of this country wants to be poor and angry and will keep voting to make things worse so we are all poor and angry like crabs in a barrel. There’s nothing we can do about it so we’re considering our options. Two families who were close to have already left which adds to the deep unease. We are tired.

I really wish Starmer would use his majority to do something bold - even reinstate some of the ideas from the Truss/Kwarteng budget which can be improved on and made more robust. Tinkering will not help and risks Farage coming in with his populism, scapegoating.

I wish we could turn back the clock to May 2016 before the vote. Estimates put the figure lost to the economy at £140bn and counting. This is what people should be protesting about. Instead they want to hand the box of matches back to the arsonist.

Edited

Why so anxious?

If ConLab are so much better then surely you and all the rest of the patriotic, educated contributors (aka "holier than thou") will all vote for one of those instead of running away - So NF won't stand a chance!

And why is NF responsible for what became of Brexit?

The Conservatives were in power at the time...They didn't want Brexit, but the voting majority... or as you seem to think of them... the uneducated, unpatriotic, lazy knuckle-draggers(!)... did.

But, alas, our Conservative leaders made such a half-arsed job of it that we ended up in the mess people are complaining about.

And even those half-hearted negotiations were constantly being inhibited by Labour constantly poking their beak in.

If ConLab are so good... and have, collectively, been in power for the last 100 years or so.... How come we find ourselves in a situation where one person can, as you put it "run us down to be picked apart"?

poetryandwine · 03/09/2025 15:58

AnneOnAMoose · 03/09/2025 15:21

Why so anxious?

If ConLab are so much better then surely you and all the rest of the patriotic, educated contributors (aka "holier than thou") will all vote for one of those instead of running away - So NF won't stand a chance!

And why is NF responsible for what became of Brexit?

The Conservatives were in power at the time...They didn't want Brexit, but the voting majority... or as you seem to think of them... the uneducated, unpatriotic, lazy knuckle-draggers(!)... did.

But, alas, our Conservative leaders made such a half-arsed job of it that we ended up in the mess people are complaining about.

And even those half-hearted negotiations were constantly being inhibited by Labour constantly poking their beak in.

If ConLab are so good... and have, collectively, been in power for the last 100 years or so.... How come we find ourselves in a situation where one person can, as you put it "run us down to be picked apart"?

Nigel Farage is responsible because he is the most prominent British isolationist of our era. He was a founding member of UKIP in 1993, led the party for a long time before abandoning it to form the Brexit Party - now Reform - and started goading David Cameron about the Leaving Referendum practically the moment he took office.

He was a leader of the Brexit campaign with all of its lies and appeals to racism.