Nigel Farage

[Maddie05]

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

I'm sure the government would welcome your views on how to stop it. So would I - can you elaborate?

People vote Farage in protest against an electoral system which is designed to ensure that one of two shit parties gets in and gets to be shit for the next five years until they eventually get so shit that we have to vote the other lot in so they get a chance to show how shit they also are.

I get it, even if I also think that anyone who thinks the answer is Nigel Farage must be quite the dimwit.

They are ignorant, stupid fools.

End of.

I'm actually asking.

It is one of the great questions of the day. Seriously.

Successive governments for years have been trying to find ways to prevent migrants entering the UK illegally. I'd be interested in suggestions from posters as to how they should do it.

Evidence for conditions in asylum hotels is everywhere. Some results are

Food experiences of people seeking asylum in London, trustforlondon.org.uk, undated

Rotten food given to asylum seekers charity finds, bbc.co.uk, 12/03/2024

Shared rooms, rancid food, no clothes: new report lays bare shocking conditions of those seeking refuge in the UK, Guardian, 22/04/2023

Conditions in Reception Facilities United Kingdom, asylumineurope.org, undated (since 11/2024)

Suffering and squalor: the impact on mental health of living in hotel asylum accommodation, The Helen Bamber Foundation, 20/06/2024

Heartbreak Hotel, Refugee Action, undated

This is a bit different

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/outrage-video-uk-migrant-hotel-shows-four-poster-beds-video-games-booze-drug-use-1739655

and this one

I think multiple reports from serious sources trump a Sun video somehow.

The IB article pointedly remarks that there is the possibility of misleading presentation in the story about the Copthorpe Hotel and that no evidence of widespread abuse of privilege in asylum hotels exists.

One migrant can brag about anything on TT. No attempt at journalistic or scholarly integrity whatsoever. Besides, I cannot recall anyone on this thread claiming that asylum seekers are pure as the driven snow. If that’s wrong, cite the relevant posts

Ive actually met NF through my work, he is actually a very nice guy. Well mannered, considerate and easy to talk to. I have also met KS through work and he is the complete opposite…offhand, rude and arrogant.

Nigel just wants to “protect our kids” apparently.

Any Farage fans want to tell me what caused the UK to ban handguns in the first place ?

NF cannot in any way stop the boats and neither can any other party nor the government. People are deluded if they think this.

Just goes to show how misleading these people can be and how easily they can deceive. Johnson was everyone’s mate and such a good laugh.

I’ve no idea what Reform would be like in government but the positive side would be it would be a massive shockwave to the two main parties. Imagine Labour and the Tories waking up to find out that they have both been voted out.

It would shake up politics forever. Then both of the other two main parties can have five years in opposition to work out what went so wrong.

And if Reform really are shit they’ll be voted out again.

This is precisely what is so terrifying. As everyone knows, abusers and con men are extremely polite and charming when they need to be. Boris being elected on the basis of “he’s so funny!” then proving to be utterly shit should have been a lesson for us all.

Dour and dull politicians get my vote.

I kind of miss the John Major era. Dull and boring as an PM maybe and I don’t remember anything insignificant happening.

I think it's all too easy to predict what Reform would be like in government, sadly.

I’ve got a huge soft spot for Major. He was my MP and a bloody good one. He still has a house here and is spotted every now and then. I loved the way he stood up to his party, called them “the bastards” and still won the confidence vote he called himself. He’s an all round good bloke.

UK equivalent of Jimmy Carter. A good thing.

Spot on

Oh my God, yes, bring on the charm voids who actually want to serve the country and have at least half an idea what they're doing. Being in government isn't a bloody reality show. We need competence far more than chumminess or entertainment value. Plausible con artists can fuck off as well.

Will Reform be any different if they get in? - I really have no idea... But I've been on this earth long enough to watch the keys being handed back and forth between Labour & Conservative several times and they're both as bad as each other.... If Reform turn out to be more of the same - Well, so be it... But just maybe... For what it's worth, I'm not a Reform fan. But as the saying goes - it's like doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Migrants aren't housed in 4 star hotels, nor do they live in luxury. I do encounter a lot of people in my role who've just been given leave to remain so my opinion is somewhat based on knowledge.

I think the tide of misinformation, such as the constant assertion that migrants live in luxury, is designed to make it hard or impossible to continue refuting those untruths. It's like whack a mole - you counter it and then someone else pops up saying the exact same thing. After a while you feel you don't have the time or energy to continue - you could make a full time job out of it and it seems so futile. Which I guess is the point.

No you're not. People are housed in really basic accommodation, often in areas where there are no facilities, no transport, nowhere to buy affordable food, nothing to do. Nowhere to store or cook food, isolated from everyone and everything. I wish anti migrant people would spend a couple of weeks living like that because otherwise they refuse to believe it.