Nigel Farage

[Maddie05]

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

No, I don't think they come here for that reason. Many want to come here because they have relatives or friends here, or because they already know the language. Some come because we have a decent reputation for human rights. And some come because our rules up to now have been more relaxed about bringing families, but that is about to change anyway.

I wouldn't worry too much.

If & when it happens - there'll be nothing left of the country to damage after the ConLabs have finished playing with the wrecking ball...

Exactly

This reminded me of Tim Loughton’s mic-drop question to Priti Patal. I found it again via ChatGPT:

The Question in Parliament

Labour MP Tim Loughton directly challenged Priti Patel during a Home Affairs Committee session:

“What safe and legal route is available if you’re not an Afghan, not Syrian, not on one of those specialist schemes and if you are genuinely fleeing from danger and would be likely to be granted asylum status?”

This followed Loughton pressing Patel on her claims about alternative routes and her statement that people arriving via small boats “should be claiming asylum in other countries.” Patel responded by referencing existing resettlement programs but admitted:

“We don’t currently have those routes in place.”

Context and Significance

• The query highlighted a major gap: asylum seekers from countries outside flagship programs (e.g., for Syria or Afghanistan) have no safe and legal means to reach the UK—even if they face legitimate risk.
• Priti Patel’s admission underscored that, under current rules, individuals arriving via irregular means (e.g., boat crossings) are often forced into dangerous and unauthorized journeys because no lawful alternatives are available to them.

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Sadly this sums up what the average British voter wants yet low productivity & growth so no money to fund these things… but let’s blame asylum seekers that actually accounts for tiniest amount of total government expenditure & are mostly caused by British and U.S gov f’ing up or destabilising their home countries for oil or profit…

@suitcasesarepacked "Priti Patel’s admission underscored that, under current rules, individuals arriving via irregular means (e.g., boat crossings) are often forced into dangerous and unauthorized journeys because no lawful alternatives are available to them"

They are not "forced" to do anything. They choose to cross the Chanel after having crossed through several "safe" countries.

Why should we provide a route for them?

The world is full of people who, sadly, are living in unenviable situations. We cannot help them all and cannot bring them all here.

@ladykale "are mostly caused by British and U.S gov f’ing up or destabilising their home countries for oil or profit…"

Interesting you should think that.

Where is the oil in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria or Eritrea ?

(Top 4 nationalities that want to come to UK.)

Simple, people vote for reform for a number of reasons but the main two are...

1. They appeal to their political views, mainly on immigration
2. They do it as a protest against the traditional parties

I am not a reform voter however I can understand why some people would vote for them.

Personally I feel like Labour are doing a terrible job, for me a government has 3 main jobs:

1. Maintain national security
2. Improve the economic situation
3. Provide services such as education, blue light, health (this one is debatable if it should fall 100% under the gov)

All parties have failed at numbers 2 & 3 over the last 15+ years at least. When you feel like a government is unable to perform its basic job a lot of people look at new and "shiny" options.

@themoonandtenbob

Because the right to seek asylum is protected under international law and states are required to provide a fair process to seek asylum. Countries are not allowed to criminalise the act of seeking asylum - this is illegal.

Because the countries in closest proximity to a country where innocent humans are being persecuted shouldn’t be expected to shoulder the full burden of providing refuge.

So Loughton’s question revealed that the UK does not make it possible for people to seek asylum via conventional routes and that politics tries to paint those who arrive unconventionally as criminals. (Incidentally, it’s illegal to deny asylum because the route was unconventional).

These laws exist - not to make your British life difficult, but to ensure every human in this earth can seek safety when they need to. Including you and your family. You feel safe now, but there may be a time when you unexpectedly shockingly horrifically need it … and the laws are there for YOU too.

If these laws are ignored because of Faragist racism, then we all are compromised.

And to add, imagine something like the French Revolution happened in France now?

Would you take the view innocents should just be slaughtered and ‘its not our problem’ (I think some Faragist’s should just openly say what we think they think ).

If the revolution then spilled over into England would you be happy for your family to be also slaughtered or would you try flee for safety, say to Ireland?

If you accept people have a right to flee to safety, do you think the UK should be forced to accommodate every single French refugee because we’re next door, or would you hope Europe shared that burden?

Just think about it.

@suitcasesarepacked "Because the right to seek asylum is protected under international law and states are required to provide a fair process to seek asylum."

Asylum is protection or safety, especially for people who have left their own countries for their safety or because of war.

Are you telling me that those crossing the channel are fleeing war & persecution in France? Don't be ridiculous.

No I’m not saying that. If you think I am then it’s you who is being ridiculous.

I'm just following your argument.

People coming here from France, by your reasoning, have no right to asylum because they are not fleeing war and persecution in France. or anywhere in Europe.

Incidentally, how many asylum seekers have you taken into your home?

If you’re going to be that literal then why stop there. Why not indignantly mention the French Revolution is over? 🤣

People coming from France NOW do not have a right to asylum unless they can make a case for persecution which might be tough.

A bit different during the French Revolution … which was a hypothetical point, not literal.

Very different if your’re coming from Gaza today.

I haven’t taken any asylum seekers into my home, but I don’t begrudge paying towards supporting them.

I also come from a country where lots of people fled persecution. I, however, had a British passport so was spared the trauma of boat crossings.

You would REALLY hate me.

Or maybe not; I’m white and speak English as my first language. That might be relevant.

Are you getting asylum and immigration mixed up? They are very different things.

@suitcasesarepacked "I also come from a country where lots of people fled persecution. I, however, had a British passport so was spared the trauma of boat crossings."

Uganda?

If you had a British Passport then that gives you certain rights such as the right to live, study and work freely, access to healthcare etc.

Unlike some that come here because they like our benefits and other "freebies".

Absolutely garbage. Trump says things then when it's time to deliver he back tracks in record time.

And Farage would just be a TEMU version of Trump

@themoonandtenbob

No, not Uganda. And while I had those rights, the rest of my family did not. But I assume you would think they’re after feeebies and handouts, not driven to seek safety in a country where I - their family - lived.

I believe (but not sure) that 50% of asylum applicants are successful on first application. Bearing in mind that because there are no conventional routes (proven by Priti Patal) all of these applicants would have been forced to apply after coming here unconventionally.

Of the remaining 50% who are refused, 50% of them successfully appeal. So it’s a minority who are here without legal rights to be here - and those will be denied the right to stay.

But it dawned on me you don’t really understand asylum, which is why Farage appeals to you. I’m sorry, but he’s getting a lot of mileage out of your ignorance.

@suitcasesarepacked "But it dawned on me you don’t really understand asylum, which is why Farage appeals to you. I’m sorry, but he’s getting a lot of mileage out of your ignorance"

I'll tell you what I do understand.

As a UK citizen and business owner I have been taxed up to the gills by this crappy government I can't afford to employ people any more because of the increases in NI and the Min Wage. (So much for all the crap about "not taxing working people"
I'm not living in a swanky house or driving a flash car but I'm paying my way (just)

So, I take strong exception to paying out any more of my hard-earned cash so the world-and-his-dog can freeload here. We have enough home-grown spongers without importing any more

Furthermore, I couldn't give two flying bollocks about International Law that seems to be loaded in favour of non-natives.

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia don't entertain migrants so why should we ??

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia don't entertain migrants so why should we ??

Because they want to cherry pick the elements of EU membership that suit them. The rest of the Union is highly pissed off with them. I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe.

@blossomtoes "I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe."

Safe ? My fat aunt !

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-third-of-sexual-assaults-committed

Quoting “research” by an incredibly shady source there…

Type your query into Ai OP, or spend half an hour on X.

But you won’t, you’re just being goady.

Do you work in the public sector?

Dodgy sources don’t convince me @themoonandtenbob.

Oh great - if you don't like the message rubbish the source - OK.

So the Pakistani Muslim Rape Gangs that the establishment tried to cover up were just figments of some slutty girls' imagination?

Misogeny rules OK it seems.